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Victory Winter Cask Ale Festival - January 31st
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SteelbackGuy



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torontoblue wrote:
SteelbackGuy wrote:
Pub Style wrote:
I'm with Viggo on this one. While I do feel sorry for the individual who couldn't get in, the Victory is hardly to blame. They had no idea that the event was going to be that successful. They ran out of beer just after five pm due to the large crowd. Line ups formed after three pm.

What I think Viggo is saying is that while the individual was upset he didn't get in, he shouldn't hold the Victory accountable. Maybe showing up at 1pm would have prevented this situation from arising, maybe not.

The event was very well done, very organized and very accommodating. The beers were excellent and the host's were great.

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Did someone shit in your corn flakes today or are you always such a knob?


Viggo is a good guy, know him personally. Not a knob.

Now, it would be nice to hear some positive stories from people who did manage to attend the event; like Bobsy's earlier post - no more negative shite.



He wasn't holding Victory accountable, and no one was questioning the ability of the hosts to have a good event. The guy didn't get in to the event , and he thought he was. As a result, he was upset. As a result, he posted his personal experience. I don't see one remark which points to the host and points the finger.

We all appreciate the effort and work that goes into these events. But if someone has an unpleasant experience (in a perfect world this wouldn't happen), then they should be welcome to post what they thought.


But he is holding the organisers accountable as he mentions THEY a few times. THEY must be someone in charge of the event, THEY can't be no-one. Given the fact that the Victory was limited to 100 people was a major factor in the line ups outside, and going on the figures from the summer festival, when they counted 86 attendees, then they thought there would be sufficient room and possibly no lineups.

Besides, look at the complaining that went on when Volo announced the sale date for the tickets to Cask Days last year, all sorts of stupid excuses came out about why people couldn't make it into town to buy tickets; I'm decorating that day, I'm gardening that weekend, I'm having a headache that day..........................

No matter what publicans do here about their events, people will always piss 'n bloody moan. Get over yerselves!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as a side note, well done to Blake, Neil, Maz, Robert, Nick and the many others who took time out of their day to organise and run this great day. It appeared to run like clockwork. To completely sell out of all beers by roughly 5pm was an achievement and a half and can only bode well for more cask events. Brava!!!!!



It is utter nonsense to claim that anyone has the ego that you imply. Customers complain. I hear it every day at work, believe me. I don't hassle my customers for complaining.......rather I take the complaint, and use it to build a foundation on which I can build better service for the exact same customer down the road.

As consumers, we have a right to discuss the likes and dislikes of consumer products. In terms of beer festivals, the likes will probably outweigh the dislikes. Nevertheless, I enjoy hearing from both sides of the fence. This is an open forum, and as long as there are no personal attacks, I see nothing wrong with a bit of healthy discussion regarding the pros and cons of a beer festival.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the con here for toweringpine is that he came late and couldn't get in? That doesn't count.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

viggo wrote:
So the con here for toweringpine is that he came late and couldn't get in? That doesn't count.



The con is exactly that, sir. There was no requirement to show up early.

I will not continue to beat the dead horse any longer. I have made my thoughts clear.

I find it ironic that the same apathetic attitude shown here, is the exact same attitude that has been the brunt of so many "poor LCBO service" threads.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excuse me? I'm not sure whats apathetic about it. Please enlighten me. Most normal people don't show up halfway through something and complain about how they couldn't get into the event. That has fuck all to do with the organizers, that is just laziness/stupidity.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, how were the beers? Favourites? Dislikes? Any hint of some of the new beers for the fest becoming semi-regular at cask friendly pubs around town? The Co. Durham Red Dragon and the Neustadt 180 sound intriguing...
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

velovampire wrote:
So, how were the beers? Favourites? Dislikes? Any hint of some of the new beers for the fest becoming semi-regular at cask friendly pubs around town? The Co. Durham Red Dragon and the Neustadt 180 sound intriguing...


I somehow only managed to try 3 beers during the day, too busy taking photographs otherwise. Of what I had the Red Dragon was on top form again, this surely now has to become a regular from Durham. The Oatmeal Coffee was fantastic too and along with the Red Dragon were the first to sell out. Had a quick taste of the Neustadt 180 and I think it will be a really good warm weather drink, didn't fit in with the Winter Warmer theme of the event as it was really a nice hoppy golden style ale. I finished of with a Blakk Kat, which was awesome again.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of all the beer listed for this event, the Red Dragon is probably the one I wanted to try the most. Hopefully it will make its way around.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Viggo: My apologies. I had no right to make a comment like that. I would edit the post but since it is quoted up and down this thread I don't think there is much point. I am sorry and someday I hope we both make it to one of the fine beer events around here and I can tell you personally.

The only person I am holding accountable for my experience yesterday is myself. I don't live downtown, I had to work yesterday morning had other chores to do after that and had to ensure my daughter was looked after while I was out. It isn't always easy for me to get to events downtown. In the future I will have to make sure I will get able to get in before I make the journey.

I am not trying to throw a downer on the Victory or the Cask Fest. I had a great time there in the summer. By the obvious success of that one and yesterday's I hope the lesson learned is that we need more frequent cask fests!

I ended up having a lovely afternoon anyways and visited the Beerbistron and C'est What.

Again sorry for my rudeness Viggo and sorry to bring down the tone of this entire forum.

Tom
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Insert massive eye roll over the preceding)

All the beers I sampled were pretty decent, though none blew me away. Black Oak Double Chocolate was nice, I think I prefer it sans cherry. The Red Dragon was probably the beer of the day that most made me contemplate more of it - hints at being a solid session brew. Contrary to the theme of the day , I think I might have preferred both brews on tap.

The 180 was an interesting quaff, but I agree with the comment that it had less weight to it than the rest, and I'm glad I started with it.

The crowd was a bit nuts/unexpected, we got there at 1215-1230 and took some of the last seats at the bar. Its pretty awesome that they got so many people though. They obviously drew in a lot of their regulars beyond the usual beer crowd, which is fantastic imho even if it means banging elbows occasionally.

Had a good time, left on the early side (300ish) having sampled a bunch and in need of a nap! I thought we were just getting a personal farewell from Mr. Pashley, and clued in that he was counting numbers when I saw the line outside!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had been planning on sampling the Cuvee last, unfortunately by the time I got to it, it was sold out. Other than that I sampled everything I wanted to, the standout for me being the Jubilation from Grand River. We got there about 1:15, left about 4:30, and people were waiting to get in.

Great event, and can't wait for the summer fest. Perhaps the format will have to change, but I still congratulate the team at Victory and CASK! for running the event.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I arrived around 3pm (I was a bit slow starting yesterday) and there was a line when I got there. But it was moving as people were leaving, so after little while in the line I got in.

The event itself was a ton of fun - lots of familiar and new faces and everyone was in good spirits. The beer was great - quite enjoyed the Cuvee and the Jubilation.

Alas the beer did run out around 5pm, but it was a great couple of hours while it lasted!

Congrats to the Victory for a great event. Hopefully another one will be just around the corner!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I was helping out, I didn't actually get to all the beers, but I liked everything I had. It was a great festival, and over 200 people got in, though many had to wait in the cold. No one could have expected the turnout. One common theme in conversations was the demographics of the event. It wasn't just old bearded farts like me, though certainly there were some of us. But there were a lot of young people, especially young women, and a number of Asian people -- unusual in my observation. Neil and I agreed that the young people were our salvation, kind of our beer pension, guaranteeing we'll have something good to drink when we're past it (which in some of our cases could be any day now). The beer was all pouring well (and quickly), so hats off to the brewers, to everyone at the Victory, and to all who turned up in such huge numbers and drank the place dry. As I was on door duty for some time, I was painfully aware of the people lining up, but they all seemed in good spirits and made up for their discomfort once they got inside. An outstanding event.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got there early enough (around 12:30) and stayed until about 4:00. I sampled seven of the beers of which Red Dragon and the Empire Compass Ale stood out. First time I have had the Empire Compass. Very simple yet very delicious. Could definitely see working it in as one of my regular beers if it was more readily available. Hats off to the organizers- excellent fun!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JerCraigs wrote:
The 180 was an interesting quaff, but I agree with the comment that it had less weight to it than the rest, and I'm glad I started with it.


Can't agree with you more on this. It was a fantastic beer, but I don't think I would have hought the same if I had picked it last instead of first. I also think that the straight up black oak double chocolate is more preferable to the cherry version, but hey that just an oppinion. The empire compass was a very solid english style pale/bitter, and extremely sessionable. The cuvee tasted very tropical and would be worth picking up a bottle if its released at the brewery again. The stonehammer was very nice, and my wife loved it, but it felt a little light for an oatmeal stout.

Overall, I thought the quality level was outstanding. Our brewers can really put together some nice casks!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I arrived at 1:30 and it was still possible to get in. The beers were fantastic, though I could only stay a little while and only tried three. The food was also excellent and the vibe was friendly. A great event and I'm looking forward to coming back for the summer version.

The three I tried were the Cuvee, the Old Town Brown, and the Hopping Mad. All delicious and all quite different. Hope to try some of these again soon.
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