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Bytowner
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| tuqueboy wrote: | | Bytowner wrote: | | The_Jester wrote: | I was kinda hoping for a few more eastern European lagers and British bitters, but I guess this will have to do.
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I think I know what you were getting at (sorta), but since when are lagers from Estonia on par with British bitters??? I'll take all the bitters I can get thanks! |
bytowner -- go splash yourself with some icewater. wake up yet? OK. Now, hopefully you can see that Jester was actually saying that in, er, jest. |
You must have your toque pulled over your eyes. I clearly understood what he was saying. He was saying there are too many euro-lagers and British bitters. You can never have too many British bitters in my opinion and their quality is certainly higher than a lager from a former Soviet republic. Give me a good bitter over a bottle of hop-juice any day. |
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Belgian
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Bytowner I think that Jester was talking about the ubiquity of those two things as a commonality, and you are thinking about the relative quality which you feel must differentiate them.
Really two subjects of debate.
A lot of us agree they are both styles here over-represented at the expense of others. But many do appreciate the half-decent Brit ales more than most lagers from the former east-bloc.
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Bytowner
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Belgian wrote: | Bytowner I think that Jester was talking about the ubiquity of those two things as a commonality, and you are thinking about the relative quality which you feel must differentiate them.
Really two subjects of debate.
A lot of us agree they are both styles here over-represented at the expense of others. But many do appreciate the half-decent Brit ales more than most lagers from the former east-bloc. |
Yeah I get that Belgian, that's why I said I got what he was saying. I think we can all agree there are too many soviet lagers that I would gladly trade for anything else.
To me Jester's post seemed to suggest neither bitters nor euro-lagers were as valuable as anything coming out of the US, I had to call BS on that. The LCBO's selection of bitters is in no way extensive, so I had to assume it was a knock on the style, which I couldn't stand for. Simply put, I felt, in lumping the two together, Jester was making references to both ubiquity (which I think is nonsense considering the number of great ales out there) and the value of those styles.
That's all. I know what you're saying, I just disagree with the interpretation of the post, and even if I'm wrong on Jester's meaning I still think it's completely wrong to suggest that the LCBO has a decent selection of bitters. |
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The_Jester
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Thank-you for all of the responses to my post. Clearly I will have to put more thought into my next one. I was referring to quantity, rather than quality, and by no means did I intend to offend any Brits. Or Latvians. I thoughtlessly assumed that these beers were as abundant elsewhere as they are in Peterborough; I was not commenting on the relative merit of said beers. My copious and deeply heart-felt apologies. |
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tuqueboy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Bytowner wrote: | Yeah I get that Belgian, that's why I said I got what he was saying. I think we can all agree there are too many soviet lagers that I would gladly trade for anything else.
To me Jester's post seemed to suggest neither bitters nor euro-lagers were as valuable as anything coming out of the US, I had to call BS on that. The LCBO's selection of bitters is in no way extensive, so I had to assume it was a knock on the style, which I couldn't stand for. |
fair enough. a toast to bitters, then. |
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robinvboyer
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| wow, did thos thread ever turn into a pissing contest. Come on guys, lets get back on topic. This is a prety good release, i can se myself buying large amounts of atleast 4-5 beers in this release. |
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SteelbackGuy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| tuqueboy wrote: | | Bytowner wrote: | Yeah I get that Belgian, that's why I said I got what he was saying. I think we can all agree there are too many soviet lagers that I would gladly trade for anything else.
To me Jester's post seemed to suggest neither bitters nor euro-lagers were as valuable as anything coming out of the US, I had to call BS on that. The LCBO's selection of bitters is in no way extensive, so I had to assume it was a knock on the style, which I couldn't stand for. |
fair enough. a toast to bitters, then. |
There's no need to do that now!!
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Bobsy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| robinvboyer wrote: | | This is a prety good release, i can se myself buying large amounts of atleast 4-5 beers in this release. |
I agree. I'll definitely be stocking up on the Rogue and some of those delicious Belgians. I'm not familiar with the others, but I'll give them all a try. I think this is a great release. Too bad the summer one usually sucks. |
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JesseM
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I have to say, I think that I'm actually looking forward to the Biere de Garde the most! Even more so than Orval.
It's kind of a neat style, that you don't see too many examples of 'round these here parts (as in, none).
I just find it bizarre that it's only 5.6% abv, since I thought the style generally called for more alcohol. But hey, maybe this means it's more "drinkable"  . |
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grub
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| JesseM wrote: | I have to say, I think that I'm actually looking forward to the Biere de Garde the most! Even more so than Orval.
It's kind of a neat style, that you don't see too many examples of 'round these here parts (as in, none).
I just find it bizarre that it's only 5.6% abv, since I thought the style generally called for more alcohol. But hey, maybe this means it's more "drinkable" . |
saison/biere de garde are pretty wide styles. interesting that BA calls that one a saison but RB calls it a BdG. that's within the ABV range for a saison, and just below a BdG. they are definitely an interesting and exciting style that i wish we saw more of here. if you venture over to NY or MI you can find some.
if you find yourself in florida, seek out the saison from saint somewhere (fairly new brewery). great stuff. |
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esprit
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| for anyone who's interested, we have Saison Dupont in stock.... |
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midlife crisis
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | if you find yourself in florida, seek out the saison from saint somewhere (fairly new brewery). great stuff. |
Hey, I had that one at Christmastime when I was down there! It is called Saint Somewhere Saison Athene, 7.5% alc/volume, bottle conditioned, fruity (pear perhaps), spicy, spritzy and delicious. I really enjoyed it. The brewery is in Tarpon Springs. |
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cannondale
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | for anyone who's interested, we have Saison Dupont in stock.... |
Vielle provision, biologique or other? Bottle size? |
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esprit
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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It's just called plain old Saison Dupont, their original and classic brew. I do believe that at one time their Belgian label indicated Vieille Provision but it no longer does nor is there any reference to that name anywhere on their website.
24 x 250ml $73.20 |
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Belgian
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think "Vieille Provision" just means 'old provision' - literally a beer than can be stored as a provision for some time, and by origin it was "usually brewed in the winter and spring, to avoid unpredictible problems with the yeast during the summertime." 'Biére de Garde' is a similar idea from French flanders.
While many think Saison Dupont shows its best in the first year I have kept the 250mls a few years, and it still tastes fantastic.
It would be wonderful to see big 750ml formats as a seasonal again!
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