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Bellwoods Brewery

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atomeyes wrote:any idea what their hrs are like?
The bar/cafe is open at 6PM every night except Tuesday, starting this Wednesday (i.e. it's closed tonight and tomorrow).

Not sure what the hours will be for the retail store when it opens, although I'd guess it might be open during the day.

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GregClow wrote:
atomeyes wrote:any idea what their hrs are like?
The bar/cafe is open at 6PM every night except Tuesday, starting this Wednesday (i.e. it's closed tonight and tomorrow).
They've just posted their regular hours:

Sunday, Monday, Wednesday
. Bar Service: 5 pm - 11:30 pm
. Kitchen Service: 6 pm - 11:00 pm
. Closed at 12:00 am

Thursday, Friday, Saturday
. Bar Service: 5 pm - 12:30 am
. Kitchen Service: 6 pm - 12:00 am
. Closed at 1:00 am

Closed Tuesday

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They are going to sell glassware like it's going out of style.

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TwoPint wrote:
Closed Tuesday
:cry:

Tuesday's are my "downtown" nights...
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TheSevenDuffs wrote:Speaking of growlers: does anyone know if they will employ the same system as Mill Street with pre-filled growlers (is that Ontario law?) or will we get fresh filled growlers straight from the tap?

I have always wondered if Mill Street does it the way they do it because it is easier or if some strange Ontario liquor law forces them to.... ?
my understanding is that's the law (with all tied houses) in the province, though I could be wrong...
I was wondering about this once so I asked on the Mill Street facebook page. They said the reason they don't fill growlers to order is for scheduling and inventory issues. I took the inventory issues to mean that someone will look over what they either have a lot of or want to get rid to make room for new stuff and fill a bunch of growlers with it (obviously if something has been really hot over a few days at the bar, they are not going to sell it in growlers if there is a lot of demand for it). I took the scheduling thing to mean that if there is downtime and the bartender isn't super busy he can spend some time filling growlers so they always have an inventory, rather than only filling them when people ask for them (which would be a pain in the ass and take way too much time if it was super busy).

As far as legalities go, I know the Kichesippi brewery fills growlers when you ask for them, although they do seal the top with a little shrink-wrapped piece of plastic, after they fill it.

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Some nice pub for BW & Indie:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le2402063/
Toronto’s craft brew scene hops to life

From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Apr. 13, 2012 5:53PM EDT
Last updated Friday, Apr. 13, 2012 6:24PM EDT

The knobs of skewered meat resting on a plate at the bar are hard to identify. Unfamiliar meat beside a row of beer taps does not normally mark high gastronomic standards, but the knobs are not unknowable aggregate sausage. It turns out they are duck hearts. And the beer taps are not pouring any old beer. The pale, amber and dark ales being passed over the bar are from the latest batch of a hopping “craft brew” scene that's getting Toronto beer lovers all frothy.

When Bellwoods Brewery (and pub) started pouring its half-dozen beers this week in a former auto-mechanic shop in deepest Ossington, it was another sign the local brewing scene is recovering from decades of suffering under industry consolidation and Prohibition-era legislation. With looser provincial laws and the recent establishment of a handful of at least five craft brewing operations, which produce smaller batches of more richly flavoured beer, Toronto is starting to catch up with craft brewers in Quebec, British Columbia and in the United States, where 2,000 craft brewers have 9 per cent of the beer market and are growing 15 per cent a year in an otherwise slowly shrinking market.

A canoe paddle used for stirring pungent ingredients rests against one of six shiny tanks behind a glass partition at the end of Bellwoods’s bar. Co-owner Luke Pestl says the plan is to let great beer and food fill the 40 indoor and 40 patio seats. Customers don't have to be the sitting kind, though. Mr. Pestl and his partner Mike Clark are renovating the adjacent storefront as a storage and retail outlet.

That extra capacity will bring them up to about 4,600 bottles a week, which puts them hardly at all closer to the fermented hops giants, Molson and Labatt. Torontonian Nick Pashley, author of Cheers! An Intemperate History of Beer in Canada, says aggressive mid-century consolidation by the two brewers “pretty much took care of any remaining independent brewers in southern Ontario until 1984.”

The two breweries, no longer wholly Canadian-owned, maintain a marketing stranglehold over the industry, but agile Toronto microbrewers such as Steam Whistle, Mill Street, Amsterdam, Black Oak and Great Lakes have shown it's possible to carve space on shelves at The Beer Store (a business owned by Labatt, Molson and Sleeman).

As Mr. Pashley notes, these pioneering microbreweries not only served as a bridge between factory brewing and craft brewing, they are also lately moving more toward craft brewing themselves.

“There has been timidity in local brewing. We tend to go for the safe choice,” he says, before adding that may be changing. Great Lakes Brewery, Toronto's oldest surviving microbrewery, made “pretty unchallenging” beers until the 2006 release of Devil's Pale Ale, according to Mr. Pashley. Black Oak, Great Lakes and stalwart brew pub Granite Brewery have lately installed smaller “pilot” set-ups for making small-batch beers that can be experimental without being financially ruinous.

Next month the Indie Alehouse Brewing Co., another combination brewery-pub-restaurant-retailer, will open on Dundas West in the Junction. It will join Junction Craft Brewing, Spearhead Brewing Co. and the Kensington Brewing Co., all based in Toronto and opened last year.

Indie Alehouse owner Jason Fisher says this is the free market acknowledging that more beer drinkers are rejecting the big brewer's model of pumping out inoffensive beer and then pushing it hard with marketing.

“They say, 'Be our customer. And after you've had our ice beer you can have our cold-filtered beer and then our draft beer,' and so on, through the labels,” says Mr. Fisher.

In addition to pouring and selling on site, he hopes to see his beers available in about 10 pubs. There should be plenty of tap space for him, but this wasn’t always the case.

“Seven years ago, there were about 10 bars in Toronto pouring two or more local craft beers,” says Mr. Fisher. “Now there are hundreds.”

What’s more, twelve years ago, in his neighbourhood, his practice would have been illegal. It was only in 2000 that his Junction neighbourhood renounced Prohibition’s “local option” and stopped being dry. An extreme case of teetotalling, perhaps, but brewer Jon Downing explains that it took about 15 years, starting in the mid-1980s with the Upper Canada Brewing company, for pioneering microbreweries to convince the provincial government to update Prohibition-era laws hobbling brewers.

Mr. Downing runs a teaching brewery at Niagara College. Now two years old, it's the only one of its kind in North America and had more than 600 applicants for 33 spots last year.

In 1985 he opened Ontario's first modern brew pub in Welland (and has licence BPL#001 to prove it) and says the “restrictive, complicated and nuanced” brewing licences that he had to contend with have since given way, making it easier for small operators to do things like sell beer out their front door.

So, how does it taste? Heather Horton can't get enough. The 37-year-old painter from Burlington was accepted as one of Bellwoods's pre-opening tasters.

She says she's sampled close to a thousand beers since stopping into a Belgian bar in New York City five years ago.

“I was so naïve,” says Ms. Horton.” I didn't know beer doesn't have to taste like nothing.”

She says the four Bellwoods brews she tried are at the top of their classes. “They are brewing with courage,” she says. “There's an edge to them that's absent in the macro beer out there. It's almost as if the macro brewers are afraid to offend people. They would rather give someone liquid Pablum than have them sit up and take notice of what they are drinking.”

The city's new batch of craft brewers are banking on Torontonians being ready to find a bar stool, sit up and take notice.

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I swung by Bellwoods with a couple of friends on Friday at 7, not expecting we'd have a prayer of getting in. The place was hopping but there was only a handful of people lined up. We were seated after a wait of no more than 15 minutes.

The beer was wonderful. My one friend who is averse to hoppy beers found something to her liking in the Farmhouse Saison and Grandma's Boy. Me, I loved the Whiteshark and the Dubbel. There were a couple of guest taps: Great Lakes Harry Porter and DDC Corne du Diable.

We ordered some sticks/skewers. They left me indifferent but my companions loved the lamb's tongue. We all really enjoyed the crispy beef & pork.

Staff were very nice.

Can't wait to go back.

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*Witch Shark

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andrewrg wrote:*Witch Shark
Oops. A rose by any other name...

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andrewrg wrote:*Witch Shark
*Witchshark

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we went last night. got there shortly after 5. practically full already.

we grabbed a table upstairs an I started off with their saison. wife had the IPA. IPA's already been discussed, but its magnificent. dare i say world class?
The saison is nice. Belgian style, very dry, slightly bitter. its a nice summer drink.
my biggest compliment i'll give to Bellwoods is that their beer has great mouthfeel. great viscosity. that's consistent with all their beer.

I then ordered a sampler of the Berliner Weiss, dubbel an the cuvee. wife ordered a pint of the cuvee. the Cuvee is great. you get the sweetness from the dubbel along with the flavour of their saison. its probably their 2nd best beer. just remember that it does have some sweetness to it. not sure if i could pound back 3 or 4 of them, but its a great beer.

the Berliner Weiss is what it is: a low-alcohol slightly sour beer. it was not really to my liking, even though i love my sours. i like some heat to my beer and the lack of alcohol comes through in the taste.

the dubbel, as i've said before, will be excellent. It really would benefit from 3 months or so of conditioning. the heat and astringency is present and i'm thinking that, with time, it would mellow in a great way. yesterday's dubel was tastier than the ones i tried a month ago. more complex and some interesting fruit flavours upon first sip.

its a really cool space. you just want the Bellwood boys to succeed when you walk in there and its awesome to see the kitchen kicking and a crowd coming in before 6 PM for food and drinks.

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Does the place pretty much stay packed/full throughout the night?

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Went last night as well, girlfriend and I got there around 630 and stayed till around 930-10. Originally were seated downstairs (somewhat communal - 2 of us sitting at a four person table - the servers encouraged others to come sit with us, no big deal), but we were moved upstairs when some space opened up. A beautiful space for sure, had the Berliner, Cuvee and Witchshark, while the girlfriend had multiples of the saison. Berliner was ok, pleasant nose but nowhere near as tart as I'd like it. Drinkable but nothing crazy. Cuvee was brilliant, and the Witchshark was very solid. On the maltier side for an IIPA, but hop profile is so juicy. Alcohol is nowhere to be found, and I put this back way faster than I should have - an awesome IIPA, but I found it lacked something on the palate that would've put this over-the-top for the style. Tried the Pork/Beef plate, a really small serving for the cost ($9), but jammed full of flavour - super tasty.

@Marcus - place was at apparent capacity for the majority of the night, although people came and left. I'd recommend showing up earlier in the evening (closer to opening time) to ensure a seat. I'm sure weekdays would be a bit slower as well.

Fairly impressed and look forward to sampling more of their beers in the future, especially when the retail store opens. Definitely going back.

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liamt07 wrote:
@Marcus - place was at apparent capacity for the majority of the night, although people came and left. I'd recommend showing up earlier in the evening (closer to opening time) to ensure a seat. I'm sure weekdays would be a bit slower as well.
Thanks. Going to try to get in to the city to have a couple of pints over the next few weeks.

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the crowd is likely atypical. using appearances to pass jugment (shame on me), i'd suggest that most people were there because they read about it in the paper.
i heard a gent sitting behind us loudly talking about how he loves cold beer, any beer.
my guess is that it will be nuts there for the weekends and more tame on weeknights.

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