Re: General LCBO Debate & Discussion Thread
Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:57 am
Kentucky Bastard down 55 cents again...
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News to me...Jerk_Store wrote:Kentucky Bastard down 55 cents again...
Imagine that! Put me in the drunkards' camp. Also, ABV determines serving size, so it would be a valuable metric to include. 500 ml of pale ale is one serving, 500 ml of RIS is 2.Masterplan wrote:IMO, unless you are buying beer just to get drunk, ABV should have no impact on the calculation of value.
Agree 100%S. St. Jeb wrote:If the only data you were going to give was a combination of cost and rating, it wouldn't be so valuable.....to me
Yes, that is why i thought it should be included, just didnt explain it as well. thanks!beerstodiscover wrote:Imagine that! Put me in the drunkards' camp. Also, ABV determines serving size, so it would be a valuable metric to include. 500 ml of pale ale is one serving, 500 ml of RIS is 2.Masterplan wrote:IMO, unless you are buying beer just to get drunk, ABV should have no impact on the calculation of value.
It also correlates to production price. I guess that shouldn't really matter, but it could be interesting or something.beerstodiscover wrote:Imagine that! Put me in the drunkards' camp. Also, ABV determines serving size, so it would be a valuable metric to include. 500 ml of pale ale is one serving, 500 ml of RIS is 2.Masterplan wrote:IMO, unless you are buying beer just to get drunk, ABV should have no impact on the calculation of value.
Agree 100%S. St. Jeb wrote:If the only data you were going to give was a combination of cost and rating, it wouldn't be so valuable.....to me
A wrote:The brewery can charge whatever they want whenever they want, and you are free to buy it or not. That's it.Blasphomet wrote:Sorry, I don't think consumers should have to foot the bill for Nickel Brook's financial/cost misjudgment. That should be something that is sorted out well in advance and if it isn't then it's complete amateur hour in my opinion. You're not rookies. Jacking the price of a seasonal beer that has been on shelves for two months is ridiculous in my opinion, and is a panic move made in hindsight.MatttthewGeorge wrote:Or maybe we've reassessed our costs and realized the beer cost us more than we originally thought.
Also, many LCBOs at this time of year will put the beer on clearance. Guess who eats that clearance price? We do.
Happy to hear you drink our cans however I'm sad to hear you think we're purposely trying to rip our customers off. I get that it's expensive (out of my price range too, tbh) but ripping on us for false assumptions is uncalled for. Maybe next time just ask why?
Yes I agree, and why would they exclude price-per-100ml and score? It's all useful.S. St. Jeb wrote:If the only data you were going to give was a combination of cost (per 100ml?) and rating, it wouldn't be so valuable....
Not so sure. ABV tends to increase LCBO price anyway (working against it) & the accompanying higher gravity tends to bias the ratings higher (working even more for it.) So without even factoring ABV you already factored it - to the extent those stronger beers are already perceived as better.GtownRandy wrote:thanks for the input guys, i forgot another factor is the ABV of the beer. for example 2 beers with the same price/mL and rating, but one is 10% ABV and the other is 7%, the 10% should be more value should it not?
Masterplan wrote:IMO, unless you are buying beer just to get drunk, ABV should have no impact on the calculation of value.GtownRandy wrote:thanks for the input guys, i forgot another factor is the ABV of the beer. for example 2 beers with the same price/mL and rating, but one is 10% ABV and the other is 7%, the 10% should be more value should it not?
Exactly, high ABV means squat in terms of quality. It just informs the drinker how much alcohol there is. Also, a more complex beer isn't necessarily a better beer. I've drank my way through too many hot messes to know, that a well made lager can definitely be better value than that year old cherries/coffee/vanilla bourbon barrel quad with orange peel that had to be drain poured.Belgian wrote:Suitably higher alcohol in beverages typically adds body (in more ways than one!) and a feeling of viscosity.
I believe a higher level of alcohol in a well-made beer positively enhances the RB ratings already. If you factor the beer site ratings, you are already taking into account the better value for the higher ABV, when it exists. Faxe 10% is still awful - so why say it's better value.
I agree with most of the comments in the past few posts, and years ago (when I had too much time) I did do some calculations on LCBO prices per ml, and ratings I had given beers. I imagine this is something we all do in our heads whenever we pop into a store - there's certainly a lot of well-regarded beers I've never tried because the price seemed inhbitive when I know a great option is on the shelf for a fraction of the cost.Masterplan wrote:Exactly, high ABV means squat in terms of quality. It just informs the drinker how much alcohol there is. Also, a more complex beer isn't necessarily a better beer. I've drank my way through too many hot messes to know, that a well made lager can definitely be better value than that year old cherries/coffee/vanilla bourbon barrel quad with orange peel that had to be drain poured.Belgian wrote:Suitably higher alcohol in beverages typically adds body (in more ways than one!) and a feeling of viscosity.
I believe a higher level of alcohol in a well-made beer positively enhances the RB ratings already. If you factor the beer site ratings, you are already taking into account the better value for the higher ABV, when it exists. Faxe 10% is still awful - so why say it's better value.
The only real reason ABV could be used to add value to a beer, is if you want to get drunk on the lowest priced beer. A race to the bottom IMO.