Re: Bellwoods Brewery
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:31 pm
Funny, I just had the same thought about Cascade -- one of my favourite breweries in NA. I can't even imagine that those are gonna retail for here.
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Maybe a google before you replyatomeyes wrote:maybe make a google before ya rant.BakaGaijin wrote:Prices keep going up. They ramp up production AND increase prices?!? $14 for a non-BA stout is a bit silly. They will eventually need to find distro cause they ain't gonna be able to sell the increased volume at these prices from two locations.gjkerr wrote:Nice release just announced for tomorrow (Dec 22) - cherry Farmageddon and 3 Minutes to Midnight - $14 each; 12 bottle limits on both. Available at both bottle shops.
you may want to do a 2 hour road trip to Buffalo to see how much upper echelon barrel-aged stouts with fruit sell for. even compare Bellwoods to the 33 cL bottles from Allagash (that will cost you close to $20 cnd) before you cry about beer prices.
Winey Bastard: 750 mL, $15. bigger, but no fruit. and not as good of a beer as 3MTM. but please, tell us more.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with Bellwoods' prices.
There is absolutely something wrong with consumers' expectations pricewise when it comes to barrel aged and fruit-addition beer. especially when made in downtown Toronto (which is where 3MTM was made). we pay Toronto rents for these beer, so if you want Wisconsin or Michigan prices for BA beer? go there and support their industry and leave more Ontario cherry beer for us fuckers
nice cherry pick, dude. i think 5 of us have said that you're out to lunch regarding your pricing statement, but please, educate us more on the New York beer distribution model. and don't talk about the price for Winey Bastard or XX Tempest or any other big Ontario beer that, frankly, falls a bit short taste-wise than past Bellwoods 3MTM releases.BakaGaijin wrote: Maybe a google before you reply
You might want to research the beer distribution system in the U.S. before you compare prices in Buffalo. 50% of craft beer prices in Buffalo are due to distributor and retail mark-up's. Bellwoods has neither of those.
If you want to compare Bellwoods retail with Buffalo than those Bellwoods beers would be $22 each with distributor/retailer mark-up's + shipping cost's added on.
Very punny.atomeyes wrote:nice cherry pick, dude.
so immediately discount Weendigo and Kentucky Bastard because of the lower rent. but a 500 mL bottle of kentucky bastard would be $11. so, basically, a $1 toronto tax, but not really, because the same amount of labour goes into filling a bottle regardless of the size.jp_jkl wrote:Very punny.atomeyes wrote:nice cherry pick, dude.
Here's a list of some recent barrel aged stouts from Ontario brewers.
Double Tempest / 650ml / $15
Kentucky Bastard / 750ml / $16
3 Mins to Midnight / 500 ml / $14
Bourbon Barrel Zombie Apocalypse / 500ml / $10
Bourbon Barrel Hearts Collide / 500ml / $11
Solstice / 650ml / $15
Weendigo / 500ml / $9
I think it's fair to say Bellwoods' prices are on the high side, but they've always been expensive. There are better deals to be had and taste is subjective, so spend your money as you wish.
Couldn't agree more. The bitching about the pricing on these bottles was a given. Always seems to be the same people too. If people don't like the prices, they can take their business elsewhere.Masterplan wrote:I get the price bitching about 2nd rate Ontario Brewers, but if you can't afford Bellwoods, don't act like it's Bellwood's fault.
It's funny, I bet in a few years we will be recalling wistfully, the good old days of $12-$16 BA offerings. If the US market is any predictor for what's going to happen here at all, don't be surprised if in less than 3 years Bellwoods BA beers are $20 and the rest of the market will be right in line with that. It's no knock on them or any other brewery, as they are businesses and they should charge what the market will pay and we are nowhere near the top end of what people will have no problem paying for a LUXURY item.TheSevenDuffs wrote:Couldn't agree more. The bitching about the pricing on these bottles was a given. Always seems to be the same people too. If people don't like the prices, they can take their business elsewhere.Masterplan wrote:I get the price bitching about 2nd rate Ontario Brewers, but if you can't afford Bellwoods, don't act like it's Bellwood's fault.
Bellwoods prices may be higher than other Ontario breweries, but the product is better than most, if not all of the local competition on the barrel aged front. Bellwoods BA beer pricing is also not out of line with the American competition - even when taking the dollar at par.
ah yes, this is the guy who lives in Newmarket or something and then posted a rant about Bellwoods and how he had to WAIT IN LINE TO DRINK BEER. and something about a scotch or bourbon club. and how you pooped on everything about Bellwoods because it just wasn't YOUR thing.portwood wrote:To all Bellwoods fans: fill your boots with $14 barrel aged stouts, its your money, do with it what you want. But please don't go screaming obscenities at anyone who disagrees with you.
I don't care about how much a brewery spends on rent or fruit ... I prefer my beer without high overhead or (sour) fruit.
All this talk of barrel aged stouts is making me thirsty, think I'll order a case of http://www.lcbo.com/lcbo/product/le-tro ... F17x_krLb1
everyone's barrel aging beer and there is a finite quantity of barrels out there.ckoop wrote:
I mean Jester King just popped all their 500ml fruited sours up $4 this year to $20usd and they have no problem selling out the same weekend they are released. Cycle has gradually upped their prices to $30 for 650 ml BA bombers and those sell out somewhat quickly. The list goes on. Breweries in the states are realizing that there is a feverish demand for BA beers or even beers with some adjuncts tossed in and they are reaping the rewards. I can't imagine some of the top end, sought after breweries in Canada won't follow sooner than later.
First, its not Newmarket, its Markham, but yeah, I understand the contempt from some of you smug Torontonians for those of us that don't live in the centre of the universe.atomeyes wrote: ah yes, this is the guy who lives in Newmarket or something and then posted a rant about Bellwoods and how he had to WAIT IN LINE TO DRINK BEER. and something about a scotch or bourbon club. and how you pooped on everything about Bellwoods ...
you think a layman wants a barrel-aged fruited high-alcohol beer?Orval_Al wrote:Would it be totally out of line to suggest that craft breweries like Bellwoods simply post a brief explanation on their website why some of the beers cost as much as they do? I don't doubt that the overhead to make these specialty brews is a lot, but to the layman who just wants the beer, maybe meet them halfway? I'm sure if the greater population was a little more educated, they wouldn't be so up in arms.
Not every beer lover wants the tour. Doesn't mean they don't love the beer just as much.