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Ale's What Cures Ya · Post by **Ale's What Cures Ya** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:56 pm

Okay, so I'm gearing up to do my second batch. What kind of extract (preferably dry only) should I use to get a nice, dark, Arrogant Bastard-ish red colour?

markaberrant · Post by **markaberrant** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:32 pm

Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:Okay, so I'm gearing up to do my second batch. What kind of extract (preferably dry only) should I use to get a nice, dark, Arrogant Bastard-ish red colour?

Always use the palest extract you can get. Use specialty malts to add colour/additional flavours.

Ale's What Cures Ya · Post by **Ale's What Cures Ya** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:32 pm

markaberrant wrote:
Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:Okay, so I'm gearing up to do my second batch. What kind of extract (preferably dry only) should I use to get a nice, dark, Arrogant Bastard-ish red colour?
Always use the palest extract you can get. Use specialty malts to add colour/additional flavours.

Okay, so I'm wagering I need to steep some kind of caramel malt to make a reddish colour?

markaberrant · Post by **markaberrant** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:40 pm

There are lots of different malts that can contribute red colour.

I wouldn't worry too much about colour, focus more on flavour.

icemachine · Post by **icemachine** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:11 am

Here's a handy Malt chart that includes approxiate SRM values

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart

cannondale · Post by **cannondale** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:20 pm

Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:
markaberrant wrote:
Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:Okay, so I'm gearing up to do my second batch. What kind of extract (preferably dry only) should I use to get a nice, dark, Arrogant Bastard-ish red colour?
Always use the palest extract you can get. Use specialty malts to add colour/additional flavours.
Okay, so I'm wagering I need to steep some kind of caramel malt to make a reddish colour?

If you are going for Arrogant Bastard, I'd try steeping roughly 1/2 pound each of Special B, Biscuit, CaraMunich and Aromatic....and then enough pale DME to hit the desired OG. After that, it's piles of Chinook hops and a neutral yeast.

Ale's What Cures Ya · Post by **Ale's What Cures Ya** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:44 pm

cannondale wrote:
If you are going for Arrogant Bastard, I'd try steeping roughly 1/2 pound each of Special B, Biscuit, CaraMunich and Aromatic....and then enough pale DME to hit the desired OG. After that, it's piles of Chinook hops and a neutral yeast.

I'm going for something Arrogant Bastard-ish, thanks for the tip.

icemachine wrote:Here's a handy Malt chart that includes approxiate SRM values

http://www.homebrewtalk.com/wiki/index.php/Malts_Chart

Very cool, thanks.

grub · Post by **grub** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:17 am

FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. it's not shown on the recipe, but there was more chinook dry hops in the keg, though i can't quite remember how much. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.

http://biergotter.org/recipes/2006-07-01-bastard.shtml

markaberrant · Post by **markaberrant** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:35 pm

grub wrote:FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.

Yup, that is my knowledge of what goes into Arrogant Bastard as well. Tastes like it too.

cannondale · Post by **cannondale** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:46 am

markaberrant wrote:
grub wrote:FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.
Yup, that is my knowledge of what goes into Arrogant Bastard as well. Tastes like it too.

Makes sense, since AB was borne of a mistake in batch quantity calculations for a simple pale ale.

Ale's What Cures Ya · Post by **Ale's What Cures Ya** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:28 pm

grub wrote:FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. it's not shown on the recipe, but there was more chinook dry hops in the keg, though i can't quite remember how much. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.

http://biergotter.org/recipes/2006-07-01-bastard.shtml

Anyway to do this with extract?

grub · Post by **grub** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:24 pm

Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:
grub wrote:FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. it's not shown on the recipe, but there was more chinook dry hops in the keg, though i can't quite remember how much. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.

http://biergotter.org/recipes/2006-07-01-bastard.shtml
Anyway to do this with extract?

this is what I always refer to for AG -> extract conversions: http://home.roadrunner.com/~brewbeer/extract/pres.pdf

my guess would be steep the crystal (or consider a partial mash) and convert the rest of the base malt to light dme. hops stay the same.

Ale's What Cures Ya · Post by **Ale's What Cures Ya** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:14 am

grub wrote:
Ale's What Cures Ya wrote:
grub wrote:FYI, here's our AB clone from a few years back. it's not shown on the recipe, but there was more chinook dry hops in the keg, though i can't quite remember how much. simple recipe, just 2-row and dark crystal and a pile of chinook.

http://biergotter.org/recipes/2006-07-01-bastard.shtml
Anyway to do this with extract?
this is what I always refer to for AG -> extract conversions: http://home.roadrunner.com/~brewbeer/extract/pres.pdf

my guess would be steep the crystal (or consider a partial mash) and convert the rest of the base malt to light dme. hops stay the same.

Cool, thanks again for all the info.

Cheers.