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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby midlife crisis » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:47 pm

Cuvée van de Keizer Blauw 2012. With all the talk (in the other thread) of both the Blauw and Rood coming to us this fall, and the LC's inept reportage on their web site, I couldn't resist blowing the dust off this one from the back of my cellar (ok, crawl space under the basement stairs). It gives a huge hit of prune up front, with some black licorice in there too, followed by a toffee-sweet finish. Very soft - the alcohol burn is gone completely. Have I maybe over-aged this one?
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby Belgian » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:17 pm

midlife crisis wrote:Cuvée van de Keizer Blauw 2012. With all the talk (in the other thread) of both the Blauw and Rood coming to us this fall, and the LC's inept reportage on their web site, I couldn't resist blowing the dust off this one from the back of my cellar (ok, crawl space under the basement stairs). It gives a huge hit of prune up front, with some black licorice in there too, followed by a toffee-sweet finish. Very soft - the alcohol burn is gone completely. Have I maybe over-aged this one?

It's all what you like, really. If you like less 'softness' and some 'edge' left probably within two years is optimal. If you want a finer structure with more rounded delicate quantities you could age a beer like this for a good while longer. If you like features of both, could decant a fresher bottle & an aged bottle together making a 'cuvee'. Everything is a trade off.

Somebody (?) helpfully posted 'ageing guidelines' for Trappists etc. like St. Bernie 12 & Roche 10, so while that is great I think every beer and palate is different. Anytime something is bottle-conditioned and not hoppy I'm inclined to experiment.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby BeerIsGood » Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:33 pm

So, I going to try some dedicated and disciplined cellaring again. Previously, I lacked discipline for the long haul. I've got some five year old Chimay Blue, Orval, Rochefort 10, St. Bernardus 12, Peche Mortel and a couple of others kicking around, but truthfully, it's only still there because I was out of the country for those five years. I'm going to try one of the St. Bernardus 12's tonight at a dinner party I'm hosting. I have no idea what to expect.

Over the next few days, I plan to put away a few Gouden Carolus Cuvee's, Boulevard Bourbon Barrel Quads, New Holland Dragon's Milk, Nickel Brook Cuvée Reserve and...who knows. It's a test of my resolve. Maybe this time I'll pass. LOL!
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby midlife crisis » Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:46 pm

BeerIsGood wrote: I'm going to try one of the St. Bernardus 12's tonight at a dinner party I'm hosting. I have no idea what to expect.


Expect it to be great! I opened one at three years not too long ago (couldn't wait any longer) and it was terrific. Don't serve it too cold.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby Craig » Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:36 pm

Think more Sherry and raisin, less heat and spice.

For what it's worth, I've found that the quads I've cellared have been best around the 2-3 year mark, though I've yet to hold on to something more than 5 years.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby beerstodiscover » Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:34 pm

Unibroue Trois Pistoles bottled Sept 26 2012. A little over 5 years old.
I forgot about this lonely bottle in the cellar.
Nose is waves of prunes, bready malt, grapes, chestnuts.
Taste is all of the above with some coffee/roasty/stout traces. Caramel, dark fruit, tobacco. Super smooth.

This brew has held up like a champ. Wish I had tucked away more.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby El Pinguino » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:16 am

Trois Pistoles is my favourite Unibroue beer...so good.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby BeerIsGood » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:07 pm

Ok, I have completed my inventory of my five year old stuff and have a question. Included among what I've previously mentioned are a few 750ml bottles of Chimay Red. My feeling is that these need to be consumed soon and it may already be a little late.

Agree/Disagree.

I had a five year old St. Bernardus 12 last night and thought it was still very good.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby darmokandjalad » Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:27 pm

If you've been holding onto them for 5 years already then yes, you might as well open them up. They should still taste ok at this point, but they have nothing to gain from any more time in the cellar.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby beerstodiscover » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:17 pm

Pulled out a Fin du Monde bottled Jan 16 2013. Started very bready, getting more fruity as I sip. Lots of yeasty, fruity esters, spice, lemony finish.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby sofakingdrunk » Sun Dec 24, 2017 1:31 am

beerstodiscover wrote:Pulled out a Fin du Monde bottled Jan 16 2013. Started very bready, getting more fruity as I sip. Lots of yeasty, fruity esters, spice, lemony finish.



I had a 2013 fin du monde(750ml bottle)from the cellar probably 6-9 months ago and was completely underwhelmed.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby darmokandjalad » Sun Dec 24, 2017 4:50 am

sofakingdrunk wrote:I had a 2013 fin du monde(750ml bottle)from the cellar probably 6-9 months ago and was completely underwhelmed.


In my experience tripels don't age very well. A few might hold up fine for a year or two (Westmalle's come to mind) but usually they're just going to be worse for the wear.

The longest I have held onto a bottle of LFdM is two years and I felt it was worse off afterwards. Unibroue's website says it should be fine within 3-5 years, but IMO you're better off just drinking it fresh. Their 17 and 25 are much better cellar candidates.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby midlife crisis » Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:28 am

Did a little vertical of St Ambroise Vintage Ale 2011-13. The 2013 was still quite nice; thought I could detect a little diacetyl in the 2012; and in the 2011 there was no doubt. I'm not sure these are meant to age that long. They're not bottle conditioned, as far as I could tell.
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby sofakingdrunk » Sun Dec 24, 2017 10:08 am

darmokandjalad wrote:
sofakingdrunk wrote:I had a 2013 fin du monde(750ml bottle)from the cellar probably 6-9 months ago and was completely underwhelmed.


In my experience tripels don't age very well. A few might hold up fine for a year or two (Westmalle's come to mind) but usually they're just going to be worse for the wear.

The longest I have held onto a bottle of LFdM is two years and I felt it was worse off afterwards. Unibroue's website says it should be fine within 3-5 years, but IMO you're better off just drinking it fresh. Their 17 and 25 are much better cellar candidates.



Yeah, I won't be doing that again.
Got a bottle of 17 from 2014 tucked away that should be about perfect now
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Re: Beer Cellars

Postby beerstodiscover » Sun Dec 24, 2017 11:37 am

darmokandjalad wrote:In my experience tripels don't age very well.


I agree, also true of other styles. I stashed away a six pack of Fin du Monde when I first learned of cellaring. Still a delicious beer, but I prefer fresh.

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