Doug Ford

[Belgian]

Buck-a-beer is a vestige firmly set in a past that will not be coming back. Elite-class North Americans also used to think tyranny and servitude were good things, Ford likely thinks so and I don't think every idea from the past is workable or even desirable.

MBABGA? No thanks, Doug you big fat head.

And by the way I'm not defending the aspirational price increases of some Ontario breweries every five minutes. Much as I love them, I'm leaving them, more often than not. It's entertaining to watch though!

[Tapsucker]

I'm still waiting for some smart ass brewer to release a 150ml can for a buck each.

Actually, it would be a great idea for a craft brewer. Get the premium display space and sell a sample size product that people new to your beer might say, "what they hey? I'll give it a try. It's a small enough to pour out if I don't like it."

I think I saw somewhere that the cost of the can is about the same as the cost of the beer inside, so that might make it a nonstarter, though.

[BeerIsGood]

I'm still waiting for some smart ass brewer to release a 150ml can for a buck each.

Actually, it would be a great idea for a craft brewer. Get the premium display space and sell a sample size product that people new to your beer might say, "what they hey? I'll give it a try. It's a small enough to pour out if I don't like it."

I think I saw somewhere that the cost of the can is about the same as the cost of the beer inside, so that might make it a nonstarter, though.

I never drank from the format, but I seem to recall a few beers in cans referred to as a Pony, which I believe were 200 or 225ml. Could possibly work in that format.

[Tapsucker]

I've also come to appreciate the public health value of price floors (yeah, me). Having traveled in jurisdictions with absurdly low prices and seen some of the cultural problems. Europe in particular, where drinking is culturally very accepted and cheep alcohol is seeing quite a lot of abuse. For instance, much has been made of the demise of the UK pub as people choose to binge up at home on cheap grocery store booze.

I'd hate to see our pubs and craft brewers who are trying to pay a living wage, succumb to what is happening over there.

Personally, I have seen one major health benefit of beer pricing. As 14 and 16 oz 'pints' of captive 'craft' and premium beers in big chain pubs have edged past the $10 mark when you factor in tip, I've just stopped going to those places. The health benefits are two-fold. I don't end up tempted to eat their shitty food and my mental health isn't stressed by being in their annoying environments.

On the other hand, I have to appreciate that I am able to afford good beer. Ford's populist message plays right into the fact that there are plenty of people who are not as fortunate as me. Sadly, many may also be vulnerable.

[BigBob]

These are all fair points. The world is a more expensive place than when we last had buck-a-beer.

With all this attention, and some of it does come off as condescending, I wonder if someone is liable to recall the tax breaks that craft beer brewers benefit from and start asking questions. For my part, if it costs $5 to make a living selling Robohop without government funds that is what I will pay. I don't buy my art by the yard.

[Belgian]

I've also come to appreciate the public health value of price floors (yeah, me). Having traveled in jurisdictions with absurdly low prices and seen some of the cultural problems. Europe in particular, where drinking is culturally very accepted and cheep alcohol is seeing quite a lot of abuse..

It is? You mention the UK. If we were to compare notes I've not seen this 'particularly European' pattern in many places of mainland Europe I have stayed (and in Germany alcohol is very cheap for its market.) Maybe I'm not looking critically enough, or I project my own sensibilities on what I see. Many lightweight drinkers that I know.

Far as UK people binging up at home, you think that's because UK pubs are getting pricey? Pubs would be a moderating environment. What you describe reminds me of kids boozing up on the cheap outside of super expensive Toronto Clubs. But it's depressing the UK looks this way today.

On the other hand, I have to appreciate that I am able to afford good beer...

A sure sign of wealth today!

Kids save your money, it'll add up. Even daily coffee house purchases add up to a nice new car every 15-20 years.

[beerstodiscover]

Looks like Dougie's gang plans to extend retail booze selling hours on Sundays.

"Finance Minister Vic Fedeli said the hours of retail alcohol sales will be extended to between 9 a.m. and 11 p.m., seven days a week."

Currently, it's 11-6 on Sundays for non-brewery retailers.

[beerstodiscover]

https://www.ontario.ca/page/have-your-say-alcohol-choice-and-convenience-for-the-people

Seems like a window may be opening

[portwood]

https://www.ontario.ca/page/have-your-say-alcohol-choice-and-convenience-for-the-people

Seems like a window may be opening

I filled out the survey the other day but it was a big waste of time
Government bureaucrats and politicians ALREADY KNOW what the people of Ontario want - surveys are just a way of appearing to be doing something, allowing more time to keep the status quo

[beerstodiscover]

Call me optimistic but there could be real value in getting feedback from brewers, event organizers, bars/restaurants. Surveys are useful tools and Dougy wants to be Mr. Open For Business. Updating the puritan beer regulations is low-hanging fruit with minimal electoral cost, perhaps even a gain. Although deregulation, if done right, would likely piss off the big macros.