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Postby Belgian » Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:32 am

Yeah Jester... that made... sense... :-?
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Postby shintriad » Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:47 pm

I will support your protest...by purchasing a portion of your imported beer off you. You could even turn a profit if you bring in the right stuff!
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Postby Jon Walker » Tue Nov 24, 2009 9:22 pm

$ wrote:Right, that's why I've started it up. It has to start somewhere.


You didn't start it. These kind of grass roots protests have been attempted many times before, both here and elsewhere, and nothing has changed. Whether people like the existing system or not (or are indifferent like the vast majority of the alcohol buying public in Ontario) you have to change it from within. Do some research here in the multitude of threads and postings and you'll find many better ideas than yours to create more meaningful and substantial change.

Or stand in front of your local LCBO on "protest day" wearing your anti-corp sandwich board and let us know how it goes. Whatever floats your boat.
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Postby $ » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:21 am

Jon Walker wrote:
$ wrote:Right, that's why I've started it up. It has to start somewhere.


You didn't start it. These kind of grass roots protests have been attempted many times before, both here and elsewhere, and nothing has changed. Whether people like the existing system or not (or are indifferent like the vast majority of the alcohol buying public in Ontario) you have to change it from within. Do some research here in the multitude of threads and postings and you'll find many better ideas than yours to create more meaningful and substantial change.

Or stand in front of your local LCBO on "protest day" wearing your anti-corp sandwich board and let us know how it goes. Whatever floats your boat.



Rather odd you are against my little fun boycott, but I suppose that is because you feel a bit guilty about choosing convenience over what is right.

I guess you never even bothered to read the facebook posting. There is no "protest day".

Now go finish off your bottle of ... Molson Ultra.
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Postby SteelbackGuy » Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:26 am

$ wrote:
Jon Walker wrote:
$ wrote:Right, that's why I've started it up. It has to start somewhere.


You didn't start it. These kind of grass roots protests have been attempted many times before, both here and elsewhere, and nothing has changed. Whether people like the existing system or not (or are indifferent like the vast majority of the alcohol buying public in Ontario) you have to change it from within. Do some research here in the multitude of threads and postings and you'll find many better ideas than yours to create more meaningful and substantial change.

Or stand in front of your local LCBO on "protest day" wearing your anti-corp sandwich board and let us know how it goes. Whatever floats your boat.



Rather odd you are against my little fun boycott, but I suppose that is because you feel a bit guilty about choosing convenience over what is right.

I guess you never even bothered to read the facebook posting. There is no "protest day".

Now go finish off your bottle of ... Molson Ultra.


I don't think Jon is choosing convenience over what is right.He makes perfect, logical sense. By the way,h e's got plenty of selection where he lives, which I believe, is in BRITISH COLUMBIA.
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Postby $ » Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:14 pm

shintriad wrote:I will support your protest...by purchasing a portion of your imported beer off you.


Ha! Any beer I bring back to our conservative socialist motherland of Ontario is for me me me me me.
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Postby mintjellie » Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:12 pm

What a douchebag.
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Postby Matty D » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:23 am

I don't like getting involved with this type of thing but here we go.

I can appreciate that you want change. However I think that the notion that Belgium put out there makes more sense. I know over the past few years the avalability of quality beer has gone up at my local LCBO's. It still has a long way to go though. So by buying the beer I enjoy from them I hope to keep this trend going.

The other thing is I want to support the brewers. I don't have the luxury of going over the boarder or stopping in at a brewery or brew pub to pick up my weekly supply of beer. As such I buy the quality imports and ontario micro's where I can, the LCBO, or TBS to a lesser extent.

You need to be carefull what you wish for. You push to have private beer sales and you may end up with less selection then more. You might only get the big sellers as retailers may not be able to afford the risk of carrying the craft brews.

Good luck with your boycott. :)
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Postby kwjd » Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:49 am

Matty D wrote:You need to be carefull what you wish for. You push to have private beer sales and you may end up with less selection then more. You might only get the big sellers as retailers may not be able to afford the risk of carrying the craft brews.


This really doesn't seem likely. The risk of carrying craft beers is much less for a private store because they don't have to do these massive releases that the LCBO does. They can order a beer once and if it doesn't sell, they can just not order it again. There is a reason I can get a better selection in Lethbridge, Alberta than in all the LCBO's/TBS's combined.

If we were allowed private beer sales in Toronto and no one else had a store that sold craft beer, I can promise you that I will open up a store and do this myself. There are probably 20-30 cities in Ontario with a population greater than Lethbridge... pretty sure we can get some quality beers accross this province.

I know I just gave anecdotal evidence, but the Montreal Economic Institute has actual research on this from 2005 (it is based on all alcohol):

"Number of stores: The number of stores per 100,000 inhabitants is five times higher in Alberta (42.1) than in Ontario (7.7) and three times higher than Quebec (12.8). Even in absolute numbers, Alberta (1,087 stores) beats out Ontario (779) and Quebec (801).

Availability of products: Examining the number of products available on the provincial market, Quebec (7,148 products) does better than Ontario (3,449) but Alberta, with its liberalized market, offers consumers many more products (11,575) than the SAQ or LCBO."

http://www.iedm.org/main/show_mediarele ... ases_id=88
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Postby $ » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:06 pm

mintjellie wrote:What a douchebag.


wow, I'm a douchebag for not selling my beer to someone who won't go get their own?
or because I made fun on Ontario?
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Postby $ » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:11 pm

Matty D wrote: I know over the past few years the avalability of quality beer has gone up at my local LCBO's. It still has a long way to go though. So by buying the beer I enjoy from them I hope to keep this trend going.

Good luck with your boycott. :)


For sure, like I said, I will most likely be dropping into the LCBO every other month to maybe buy some new seasonals, maybe a few good beers.

However, the LCBO isn't good enough, and it never will be. It's taken how long to get where we are now? That's way too long and it's still not that good.
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Postby Bobsy » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:20 pm

$ wrote:For sure, like I said, I will most likely be dropping into the LCBO every other month to maybe buy some new seasonals, maybe a few good beers.


So in what way is this a boycott?
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Postby viggo » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:35 pm

Bobsy wrote:
$ wrote:For sure, like I said, I will most likely be dropping into the LCBO every other month to maybe buy some new seasonals, maybe a few good beers.


So in what way is this a boycott?


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Postby $ » Thu Nov 26, 2009 1:38 pm

Bobsy wrote:
$ wrote:For sure, like I said, I will most likely be dropping into the LCBO every other month to maybe buy some new seasonals, maybe a few good beers.


So in what way is this a boycott?



because every other month I won't be buying anything at the lcbo-bs

I'm not sure bimonthly-boycott is as sexy a word
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Postby viggo » Thu Nov 26, 2009 2:49 pm

$ wrote:
Bobsy wrote:
$ wrote:For sure, like I said, I will most likely be dropping into the LCBO every other month to maybe buy some new seasonals, maybe a few good beers.


So in what way is this a boycott?



because every other month I won't be buying anything at the lcbo-bs

I'm not sure bimonthly-boycott is as sexy a word


I'm sure it's really going to impact their bottom line! Like others, I'm not sure I understand the point of this.

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