i was under the impression that the Black Creek 500ml bottle were not being packaged at Trafalgar, i was told it was sub-contracted to another breweryboney wrote: Just as an aside.....considering that both Black Creek (LCBO bottles) and Trafalgar are produced out of the same brewhouse, I wonder how the hell the quality of the two products differs so dramatically. I know that they are brewed by different teams and Black Creek brews under contract, but I always just assumed that Trafalgar had so many problems because of systemic sterilization/cleaning flaws at the brewery, which might presumably affect both products.
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Rifleman's Ration
This and the others (Porter and Pale, maybe I had the Olde Stout in botlte?) are very solid - Black Creek and Grand River showing at the LC sort of makes up for Scotch Irish fizzling away. Now all we need is a good Ordinary Session Bitter!!
It seems very possible Black Creek brew at that other brewery, but then skip the whole nasty souring/explosive bottle volcano process by bottling it elsewhere. The beers seem perfect.
It seems very possible Black Creek brew at that other brewery, but then skip the whole nasty souring/explosive bottle volcano process by bottling it elsewhere. The beers seem perfect.
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No clue why the black creek ones are fine. All are run through the same brewing and packaging lines. Personally I know Trafalgar has their problems, but the brands I have had the last year have been pretty good. I think they just had a really rough time with qc a few years ago, and are still feeling the affects of it in the beer geek crowd.
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Haven't tried any of the Trafalgar brands for a couple years, heard a decent review of the Maple Leaf lager that was released for Canada Day.
I did try the Black Creek Porter, Pale and Stout over the last 18 months and found no QC flaws in them, so I may risk trying a Trafalgar brand again, although considering their overall lineup, only a couple appeal to me on a product level alone.
I did try the Black Creek Porter, Pale and Stout over the last 18 months and found no QC flaws in them, so I may risk trying a Trafalgar brand again, although considering their overall lineup, only a couple appeal to me on a product level alone.
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A good point...when was the last time any of us tried a Trafalgar beer? Their line-up still seems lacking, but maybe the quality control issue has been dealt with...icemachine wrote:Haven't tried any of the Trafalgar brands for a couple years, heard a decent review of the Maple Leaf lager that was released for Canada Day.
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Fair enough. Already started taking up the challenge. Had the Cherry Ale and India Ink this past weekend, with their Maple Bock and Maple Leaf Lager awaiting judgement. Will post....maybe in Random Reviews, when complete.JeffPorter wrote:A good point...when was the last time any of us tried a Trafalgar beer? Their line-up still seems lacking, but maybe the quality control issue has been dealt with...icemachine wrote:Haven't tried any of the Trafalgar brands for a couple years, heard a decent review of the Maple Leaf lager that was released for Canada Day.
They can make good beer and have a few good recipes - they sometimes add too much water, and can't seem to bottle a stable product to save their life.phat matt wrote:I can guarantee you that all black creek beers are made at trafalgar by the same people making all trafalgar brands.
I'm sure some Trafalgar brews are very nice at the facility. It's a missed opportunity in my opinion.
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I thought Rifleman was pretty damn great, and the last two beers I've had from Trafalgar have been problem free as well. At the Black Oak hop rub a couple of months back I saw the brewer from Black Creek there, which I thought was unusual but positive... here's to hoping things are turning around over there!