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duncan wrote:
grub wrote:chocolate malt?!? i think the monks would laugh you out of the abbey.
Why is that?
belgian beer is usually very simple, base malt maybe some character malt, sugar, house yeast

they control the end product through perfecting fermentation not throwing 5 or 6 malts into a grain bill

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atomeyes wrote:so, grub, i know that you just add sugar to make your quads, but you may want to consider rock candy (or making your own) for future quads. we're talking about a 50-90 F difference in cooking temperature, so stuff is indeed happening that would be more "complex" than during a boil.
ah, but i don't "just" boil it. I take the first runnings (already ultra-sweet), add in all the sugar, then boil the snot out of it while the rest of the batch sparges and comes up to a boil. we're usually talking a 1-2 hour boil, reducing the volume down by about 75-80%, and it's coming out like syrup when it's done. there's no loss of complexity there.
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matt7215 wrote:
duncan wrote:
grub wrote:chocolate malt?!? i think the monks would laugh you out of the abbey.
Why is that?
belgian beer is usually very simple, base malt maybe some character malt, sugar, house yeast

they control the end product through perfecting fermentation not throwing 5 or 6 malts into a grain bill
precisely.
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grub wrote:
atomeyes wrote:so, grub, i know that you just add sugar to make your quads, but you may want to consider rock candy (or making your own) for future quads. we're talking about a 50-90 F difference in cooking temperature, so stuff is indeed happening that would be more "complex" than during a boil.
ah, but i don't "just" boil it. I take the first runnings (already ultra-sweet), add in all the sugar, then boil the snot out of it while the rest of the batch sparges and comes up to a boil. we're usually talking a 1-2 hour boil, reducing the volume down by about 75-80%, and it's coming out like syrup when it's done. there's no loss of complexity there.
yeah, i've been doing that as of late, except snot isn't involved. but I'd still suggest to look at doing a sugar boil separate and adding that to your wort. as long as water's present, you'll be sitting at 210 F. once the water is out, the temps rise high (above 300 F). so, in theory, there would be more complexity versus boiling w/the wort.

just my 2 cents.

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atomeyes wrote:yeah, i've been doing that as of late, except snot isn't involved. but I'd still suggest to look at doing a sugar boil separate and adding that to your wort. as long as water's present, you'll be sitting at 210 F. once the water is out, the temps rise high (above 300 F). so, in theory, there would be more complexity versus boiling w/the wort.

just my 2 cents.
meh, i'm probably producing something more alike to the candi syrups than the rocks, and that's fine by me. i've tasted the rocks (and used them in a Rochefort 10 clone long ago) and think we get at least as much if not more character with this method (and almost zero effort). works for me.
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