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oregon brewers up in arms
"alcoholism and “untreated substance abuse” costs the state $4.15 billion in lost earnings as well as more than $8 million for health care and nearly $1 billion in law enforcement-related expenditures. "
all caused by beer!
hey I know something that costs about 40% of most economies that should be cured- government. We could get the same "quality" and quantity of government service for half the cost if they got their act together and functioned more like a business. You know, a place where if you don't do your job you get fired. A place where your salary and benefits are based on the market. A place where you have to find efficiencies otherwise your competition destroys you.
all caused by beer!
hey I know something that costs about 40% of most economies that should be cured- government. We could get the same "quality" and quantity of government service for half the cost if they got their act together and functioned more like a business. You know, a place where if you don't do your job you get fired. A place where your salary and benefits are based on the market. A place where you have to find efficiencies otherwise your competition destroys you.
+1$ wrote: We could get the same "quality" and quantity of government service for half the cost if they got their act together and functioned more like a business. You know, a place where if you don't do your job you get fired. A place where your salary and benefits are based on the market. A place where you have to find efficiencies otherwise your competition destroys you.
100% accountability in government creates such efficiency.
A recession is not an excuse to screw the taxpayer, and then blame the taxpayer for it due to social ills.
In Beerum Veritas
just happened to find some more on this and other states:
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/17293
(some highlights):
In Oregon, legislators have proposed raising the beer tax from the current $2.60 per barrel to $49.61
An editorial in The Oregonian says, "Excuse our cynicism, but we've sat through this particular barroom discussion enough times to know that it is leading nowhere" (and also notes that state funding for alcohol and drug treatment has been severely cut).
A proposal to more than triple the per-gallon tax on beer from 15 to 52 cents has passed its first test in an Idaho legislative committee.
In New York, Gov. David Patterson has proposed to raise the state tax from 11 cents to 24 cents per gallon of beer, prompting speculation that Anheuser-Busch would close its Lysander brewery as a result
A total of 24 states, including Massachusetts and Virginia, are considering higher alcohol taxes.
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/17293
(some highlights):
In Oregon, legislators have proposed raising the beer tax from the current $2.60 per barrel to $49.61
An editorial in The Oregonian says, "Excuse our cynicism, but we've sat through this particular barroom discussion enough times to know that it is leading nowhere" (and also notes that state funding for alcohol and drug treatment has been severely cut).
A proposal to more than triple the per-gallon tax on beer from 15 to 52 cents has passed its first test in an Idaho legislative committee.
In New York, Gov. David Patterson has proposed to raise the state tax from 11 cents to 24 cents per gallon of beer, prompting speculation that Anheuser-Busch would close its Lysander brewery as a result
A total of 24 states, including Massachusetts and Virginia, are considering higher alcohol taxes.
A place where you can completely defraud investors and get away with it! A place where you eliminate all the services that are not profitable no matter how necessary they are. (massive eye roll). Anyone who believes the fallacy that the private sector is inherently better than government is clearly not familiar enough with either.$ wrote: hey I know something that costs about 40% of most economies that should be cured- government. We could get the same "quality" and quantity of government service for half the cost if they got their act together and functioned more like a business. You know, a place where if you don't do your job you get fired. A place where your salary and benefits are based on the market. A place where you have to find efficiencies otherwise your competition destroys you.
It's not either / or though. One city in the United States went for an experiment - 100% accountability.
The city was able to function as well or better with massive savings to taxpayers. Such an experiment should be applied every few years in city governments, and beyond in Provincial and Federal. We already know they CAN do a great job while being more efficient. (In fact accountability creates a work culture that promotes the best, brightest people.)
Of course this would meet much resistance. However, just seeing the political will to openly criticize & review all government functions would be literally awesome.
The city was able to function as well or better with massive savings to taxpayers. Such an experiment should be applied every few years in city governments, and beyond in Provincial and Federal. We already know they CAN do a great job while being more efficient. (In fact accountability creates a work culture that promotes the best, brightest people.)
Of course this would meet much resistance. However, just seeing the political will to openly criticize & review all government functions would be literally awesome.
In Beerum Veritas
Ya, uh, isn't government supposed to do something about that?JerCraigs wrote: A place where you can completely defraud investors and get away with it!
Go open an unprofitable business. Best of luck! (massive eye roll).A place where you eliminate all the services that are not profitable no matter how necessary they are. (massive eye roll).
Sounds more like you just don't want to accept it. The evidence is there, it's documented and has been known for decades.Anyone who believes the fallacy that the private sector is inherently better than government is clearly not familiar enough with either.
Give me efficient accountable government and there's not much of a problem. Too bad it rarely happens.
I was trying to say:Belgian wrote:It's not either / or though.
Private sector is not 'inherently better' than govt, but govt could learn some good things from private sector. The answer perhaps lies not in opposites, but above the two.
(All adversarial thinking relies on an artificial sense of polarity, and leads to no understanding.)
In Beerum Veritas
Documented where exactly??? (rant deleted since you haven't actually made a point...) If you really think that private sector companies are inherently efficient and better than the public sector nothing I can say is going to change your mind, its an ideological rather than empirical choice on your part.$ wrote:Sounds more like you just don't want to accept it. The evidence is there, it's documented and has been known for decades.Anyone who believes the fallacy that the private sector is inherently better than government is clearly not familiar enough with either.
Give me efficient accountable government and there's not much of a problem. Too bad it rarely happens.