The Bar Towel

Eesh. =/

Way to go, Dragon. Heap scorn upon the politically involved. How mature of you!

Why does social responsibility only relate to alcohol...the government allows independent retailers to monitor social responsibility for tobacco and, if you ask me, that is a commodity which should be even more controlled than alcohol...used properly, tobacco kills...used properly, alcohol does not and there are even some health benefits to moderate consumption of some alcoholic beverages. Hey, they're politicians, the truth is something which is foreign to them....you can't get elected in most western countries without lying...these people are pond scum and that is why most of us hate politicians. Dalton is no better or worse than any other liar before him...I must say, Michael Harris was less of a liar than most...but then he was also incompetent and surrounded by incompetents (most of them are in Ottawa now) and Michael is playing some bad golf with whatever bimbo he has on his arm now. He mostly told the truth but he was a moron and his policies were moronic and extremely destructive. I don't think any politician should be allowed to serve more than 4 years and after their terms expire, they should be taken behind their respective legislatures and shot.
But then, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

esprit wrote:Why does social responsibility only relate to alcohol...the government allows independent retailers to monitor social responsibility for tobacco and, if you ask me, that is a commodity which should be even more controlled than alcohol...used properly, tobacco kills...used properly, alcohol does not...

I believe the argument is (not my argument) that the immediate risks to third parties are much higher from the use of alcohol than the use of tobacco.

-Josh

detritus wrote:

esprit wrote:Why does social responsibility only relate to alcohol...the government allows independent retailers to monitor social responsibility for tobacco and, if you ask me, that is a commodity which should be even more controlled than alcohol...used properly, tobacco kills...used properly, alcohol does not...

I believe the argument is (not my argument) that the immediate risks to third parties are much higher from the use of alcohol than the use of tobacco.

-Josh

Not even. Whenever I've heard the debate, the neo-prohibitionist always takes the position that they wish to God they did have control of tobacco sales, but know it would be impossible to obtain.

Steve Beaumont wrote:Way to go, Dragon. Heap scorn upon the politically involved. How mature of you!

It's not scorn Steve. It's amusement at the fact that Lenny supports Dalty, Dalty supports the LCBO, the LCBO supports Lenny.

The entire picture has come into 100% focus.

And I thought I was cynical...

4 Words:

More. Colder. Fresher. Better.

DragonOfBlood wrote:

Steve Beaumont wrote:Way to go, Dragon. Heap scorn upon the politically involved. How mature of you!

It's not scorn Steve. It's amusement at the fact that Lenny supports Dalty, Dalty supports the LCBO, the LCBO supports Lenny.

The entire picture has come into 100% focus.

I hope your being sarcastic and don't actually believe its that simple.

I'm not going to delve into the vagaries of the various political stripes available to us in Ontario (though the Green party has made local beer and wine part of their platform as long as anyone), but during my four year stint at McD's I wasn't voting Reform in my quest to support the beef industry just because I worked there. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that most people support a political party for more than just one issue...

cannondale wrote:4 Words:

More. Colder. Fresher. Better.

you forgot "gooder" (from a recent "the good stuff" ad campaign...)

JerCraigs wrote:I hope your being sarcastic and don't actually believe its that simple.

I'm not going to delve into the vagaries of the various political stripes available to us in Ontario (though the Green party has made local beer and wine part of their platform as long as anyone), but during my four year stint at McD's I wasn't voting Reform in my quest to support the beef industry just because I worked there. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that most people support a political party for more than just one issue...

Not when your livelihood depends on it you don't! Not suggesting a I agree with dragon re. Len, but the NDP wouldn't exist without union member support, and if I was a LCBO employee, and union member, I'd certainly think twice about supporting any party that didn't like the status quo. For many people party support is very much a one issue thing and THEN adopt the other party values and policies as their own. That's why I stopped being involved in politics, there's no party that could possibly come out with a platform that represented my views on every single issue... mostly, though, I stopped because I couldn't stand the people that convinced themselves they DID agree with the party on everything.

why get so angry...I hear the "good stuff" is on sale right now at the beer store...ha ha....
only in Ontario would Blue have the nerve to say it's the "good stuff"

esprit wrote:Why does social responsibility only relate to alcohol...the government allows independent retailers to monitor social responsibility for tobacco and, if you ask me, that is a commodity which should be even more controlled than alcohol..

I wish it did not appear so hypocritical (ie "alcohol is highly taxable so let's "control" & exploit it in the name of 'social responsibility.'")

Social responsibility does not appear to extend to a LOT of things Peter, like proper policing of bad driving for example. Everywhere people are aggressive, inattentive ,lazy and capricious behind the wheel of these deadly, fast-moving machines. Gee, look... that actually kills a LOT of people. I guess they can't find a way to exploit that for revenue, so cops hold back and just make their quota of "nuisance fines."

A while back, I sent a note to the premier with the usual questions and rants concerning the beer store and LCBO--querying why costs for alcohol in Ontario were so much higher, why do foreign companies have a monopoly on beer sales in Ontario etc.

I just received a letter from his office. He's passing my letter along to Dwight Duncan because it relates to his bailiwick.

Belgian wrote:so cops hold back and just make their quota of "nuisance fines."

Police do not have quotas.