Re: Nickel Brook Brewing
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:17 am
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1. You're obviously a much better dad than I'll ever be. You should get a trophy for discussing all the important issues and things in the world that make a real difference...CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
1. You're obviously a much better dad than I'll ever be. You should get a trophy for discussing all the important issues and things in the world that make a real difference...portwood wrote:CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
portwood wrote:1. You're obviously a much better dad than I'll ever be. You should get a trophy for discussing all the important issues and things in the world that make a real difference...portwood wrote:CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
2. The past was great and should never change. Our mothers, grandmothers, and female ancestors were great survivors. For old times sake, I'm sure your daughters would love not being able to vote.
1. You're obviously a much better dad than I'll ever be. You should get a trophy for discussing all the important issues and things in the world that make a real difference...CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
1. Real mature. I ask some simple question and get BS sarcasm in reply. What exactly did it add to the discussion?portwood wrote:1. You're obviously a much better dad than I'll ever be. You should get a trophy for discussing all the important issues and things in the world that make a real difference...CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
2. The past was great and should never change. I'm sure your daughters wouldn't mind not being able to vote.
The 1930's say helloportwood wrote:2. The past was great and should never change. Our mothers, grandmothers, and female ancestors were great survivors, I'm sure your daughters would love to lead the same lives and wouldn't mind not being able to vote.portwood wrote:CoolB wrote:Might as well buy them faraday cages right now then. It's nice to know you're planning your daughters futures already. Do they get a say? Mine will. We talk and discuss important issues and the things in the world that will make a real difference. We try to stay grounded and remain reasonable people.
How in the world did our parents, grandparents and other ancestors ever survive in the terrible past that some people are so adamant to change?
Beautiful cherry picking here. It's obvious you don't agree with me, that's fine but if you're going to put your 2 cents in then what about what started all this, the part with my opinion being "fucking wrong and ignorant".boney wrote:Discussing how misogyny is subtly ingrained in all aspects of society is an important conversation to have. People don't have to agree. They don't even have a responsibility to have those conversations if they don't want to. But if anyone wants to actually have that conversation, can we do it without snark and name calling and attempt to have a thoughtful conversation? Can we not use lazy, accusatory, ad hominem language that has no relivance to the actual discussion, like "drama queen" or, before we even get there, "snowflake", "nazi" etc.
Is this cool with everyone? The internet. Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I agree with the previous post that NB's repsonse was sub-par. "We'll change it if it hurts sales" doesn't address the concern that the cans (Naughty and Immodest) might be sexist and doesn't speak to the responsibility a company may or may not have to being a good member of the larger community.
The argument that the issue must not matter or isn't a big deal if sales are good isn't a strong argument. Sales and ethics are not equivalent. If the majority do or say a particular thing, it doesn't make it right. The need to tweak the imagry of those cans should be made independently of sales.
Side note: Hey-ya Nickel Brook! I really love your beers. I've been an enthusiastic supporter for many years. I want you to be successful. I will continue to buy whatever you put out, as long as the labels are thoughtful and appropriate. I'd really like to drink Naughty Neighbor and Immodest, because they are excellent beers, but after thoughful consideration, I just can't support what I see as a subtle endorsement of misogyny. Your public response to concerns over the imagry on those cans in "Ben's Beer Blog" wasn't acceptable. I hope you will reconsider your branding. Should you ever decide to change the labels on those cans to something more inclusive and acceptable to all of your purchasing base, I will enthusiastically return to buying those excellent beers in the future. All the best.
i'm going to reply without any snark or sarcasm or emotion. i'm also hung over and going on little sleep, so we'll see how coherent this is. hah.CoolB wrote:Beautiful cherry picking here. It's obvious you don't agree with me, that's fine but if you're going to put your 2 cents in then what about what started all this, the part with my opinion being "fucking wrong and ignorant".boney wrote:Discussing how misogyny is subtly ingrained in all aspects of society is an important conversation to have. People don't have to agree. They don't even have a responsibility to have those conversations if they don't want to. But if anyone wants to actually have that conversation, can we do it without snark and name calling and attempt to have a thoughtful conversation? Can we not use lazy, accusatory, ad hominem language that has no relivance to the actual discussion, like "drama queen" or, before we even get there, "snowflake", "nazi" etc.
Is this cool with everyone? The internet. Jesus Christ.
Anyway, I agree with the previous post that NB's repsonse was sub-par. "We'll change it if it hurts sales" doesn't address the concern that the cans (Naughty and Immodest) might be sexist and doesn't speak to the responsibility a company may or may not have to being a good member of the larger community.
The argument that the issue must not matter or isn't a big deal if sales are good isn't a strong argument. Sales and ethics are not equivalent. If the majority do or say a particular thing, it doesn't make it right. The need to tweak the imagry of those cans should be made independently of sales.
Side note: Hey-ya Nickel Brook! I really love your beers. I've been an enthusiastic supporter for many years. I want you to be successful. I will continue to buy whatever you put out, as long as the labels are thoughtful and appropriate. I'd really like to drink Naughty Neighbor and Immodest, because they are excellent beers, but after thoughful consideration, I just can't support what I see as a subtle endorsement of misogyny. Your public response to concerns over the imagry on those cans in "Ben's Beer Blog" wasn't acceptable. I hope you will reconsider your branding. Should you ever decide to change the labels on those cans to something more inclusive and acceptable to all of your purchasing base, I will enthusiastically return to buying those excellent beers in the future. All the best.
To be honest I don't feel you have said anything to help this situation along. You've stated your opinion but just like a few others you follow it up with some authoritarian attitude that your opinion is in fact the correct one.
"The argument that the issue must not matter or isn't a big deal if sales are good isn't a strong argument. Sales and ethics are not equivalent."
Ok so the ethics part? I'm open to you being offended by the babel however I'm not so your insinuation that by association I am unethical is unwarranted and unwanted. How is this not "snark and name calling and attempt to have a thoughtful conversation?" Eat some crow friend. I said nothing to you and yet I'm still the brunt of some snarkish insult.
"If the majority do or say a particular thing, it doesn't make it right."
I'm sorry but that the democratic society we live in. Deal with it or not but unless you have laws, governments and societal structures changed you are bound to the laws of our democratic country. Plainly put it's not your determination to make. We do that as a group.
I'm not trying to turn this into a political discussion but I sure feel like the only conservative in a room full of liberals. Sorry but unless you stop trying to push your ideals on all of society without wavering in the slightest this is the kind of angry vitriol you can expect from people who are sick and tired of being told.
and just so you know, i take being called "sensitive" as a compliment. it means that i care about hurting others.CoolB wrote:I've got all the sensitive people's nickers in a knot and I'm sorry that has affected Nickle Brooks thread however it's important to speak your mind as clearly as possible.
I'll back out of this conversation now and allow one of my favorite breweries to have their Bar Towel thread back.
Peace
see? i try to be nice for once, and this is what i get as a reply.CoolB wrote:Wow atomeyes turning this into a full blown witch hunt.