General LCBO Debate & Discussion Thread

[JeffPorter]

Anyone who reads the Sun for anything outside of sports coverage is usually reading bunk, and often poorly written bunk at that.

There's a chain of Greek diners/breakfast places in Brampton that I frequent. The have the sun there usually in free stands. I love reading The Sun, especially the editorial page, and how "The Editor" always responds to the letters.

I love it so much, that when I go there and there isn't one sitting there, I actually go to the store so I can PAY for one to read with breakfast.

[Belgian]

If the author of this (Sun) article would only bother to take the time to mention a few of these facts to support his rant, it would make this a worthwhile article that could actually make the average person stop and think; and possibly gather some support for his stance.

I've often felt print Journalism to be a letdown in Ontario, first of all rarely that interesting and second of all very trite, stiff coverage (the worst is relying heavily on jargon & news-speak instead of being consistently clear in meaning.)

So while some gems really shine through (yeah, Josh R!!) I wonder if the news industry in Ontario is big and wealthy enough to attract and support good talent. If not - perhaps WE don't value it enough to support it?

These are just my thoughts, open to discussion & general attack.

I still LOVE a good newspaper with oodles of intelligent, thoughtful content (NY Times.) The world is always an extremely interesting place regardless what gets reported & how.

[JeffPorter]

Just read it.

It's pretty bad. I think every time Charles Adler uses a cliche we have to take a drink.

[JeffPorter]

Just read it.

It's pretty bad. I think every time Charles Adler uses a cliche we have to take a drink.

Cliches he uses in a relatively short article:

"nanny staters"
"book thrown at them"
"turning a blind eye"
"pick your pocket"
"cash cow"
"highway robbery"

Did I miss any?

Also, I can't read his tone: whether or not he's being serious and sarcastic.

Like this:

"They don’t even trust you to walk down the street with a beer in your hands. They’d rather take the bottle out of your hands rather than risk you smashing your bottle against a wall and urinating on the sidewalk. Just one of many examples where the government thinks it knows better than you do."

huh?

So bad...

[saints_gambit]

Anyone who reads the Sun for anything outside of sports coverage is usually reading bunk, and often poorly written bunk at that.

Hey Now.

[atomeyes]

so....

De Struise is one of my favourite brewers. We pretty much can't get any in Ontario.

I sent the guys a msg on facebook to see if Pannepot's coming here. They're responses:

We know... and is not about to change any time soon.

Ever heard of the LCBO? The excessive paperwork that comes with it? The very long payment delays they implement? The lab tests they execute at 175 $ per brand and each time an import is done? Which they automatically deduct?... couple that to our small brewery and finances, and we have immediately all the reasons to export where all of that does not occur, like 150 other countries. We have tried in the past, but we were always discouraged somewhere along the line. We have to wait until a big Belgian distributor decides to put his shoulders under this big Canadian file, because at this time, not feasible for us, sorry.

its great to see this reputation that the LCBO has.

[Roland + Russell]

so....

De Struise is one of my favourite brewers. We pretty much can't get any in Ontario.

I sent the guys a msg on facebook to see if Pannepot's coming here. They're responses:

We know... and is not about to change any time soon.

Ever heard of the LCBO? The excessive paperwork that comes with it? The very long payment delays they implement? The lab tests they execute at 175 $ per brand and each time an import is done? Which they automatically deduct?... couple that to our small brewery and finances, and we have immediately all the reasons to export where all of that does not occur, like 150 other countries. We have tried in the past, but we were always discouraged somewhere along the line. We have to wait until a big Belgian distributor decides to put his shoulders under this big Canadian file, because at this time, not feasible for us, sorry.

its great to see this reputation that the LCBO has.

Between St. Veronus in Peterborough and Beer Bistro in Toronto, there is at least six De Struise varieties currently available.

We're also co-hosting an event with Greg Clow later this Spring where De Struise's Double Black will be served, along with some other interesting offerings from our beer portfolio.

[Ale's What Cures Ya]

Just read it.

It's pretty bad. I think every time Charles Adler uses a cliche we have to take a drink.

Cliches he uses in a relatively short article:

"nanny staters"
"book thrown at them"
"turning a blind eye"
"pick your pocket"
"cash cow"
"highway robbery"

Did I miss any?

Also, I can't read his tone: whether or not he's being serious and sarcastic.

Like this:

"They don’t even trust you to walk down the street with a beer in your hands. They’d rather take the bottle out of your hands rather than risk you smashing your bottle against a wall and urinating on the sidewalk. Just one of many examples where the government thinks it knows better than you do."

huh?

So bad...

The article may be poorly written, but his sentiments certainly aren't wrong.

[JeffPorter]

The article may be poorly written, but his sentiments certainly aren't wrong.

Well, he's definately sentimental.

There may be a million billion problems with the LCBO, but cranky old man rants like this, that almost seem like he's joking, make me want to defend the LCBO.

Not only that, some of Adler's premises are just silly...in the opening paragraphs he seems to be against a drinking age, for example, and blames the entire concept on the LCBO...as though other more lax jurisdictions don't have a drinking age.

Also, as has been discussed in this thread, it's highly unlikely that privatization would automatically bring a flood of new stuff into the province.

Listing fees and delays. Lab testing. Draconian social responsibility stuff.

All these things about the LCBO suck and are prohibitive to brewers, vintners and distillers.

But that's not what this article was about. He doesn't mention anything about products, or even talk about small producers of beer and wine.

It's simply about public vs. private ownership. Which, as we've discussed here before, isn't enough.

Adler isn't so concerned about getting Saison Dupont or Pliny getting here. Or even really supporting local brewers and wineries.

He would be fine if InBev bought the whole thing and specialized in selling cases of Bud and Canadian for $18.

[phirleh]

so....

De Struise is one of my favourite brewers. We pretty much can't get any in Ontario.

I sent the guys a msg on facebook to see if Pannepot's coming here. They're responses:

We know... and is not about to change any time soon.

Ever heard of the LCBO? The excessive paperwork that comes with it? The very long payment delays they implement? The lab tests they execute at 175 $ per brand and each time an import is done? Which they automatically deduct?... couple that to our small brewery and finances, and we have immediately all the reasons to export where all of that does not occur, like 150 other countries. We have tried in the past, but we were always discouraged somewhere along the line. We have to wait until a big Belgian distributor decides to put his shoulders under this big Canadian file, because at this time, not feasible for us, sorry.

its great to see this reputation that the LCBO has.

Between St. Veronus in Peterborough and Beer Bistro in Toronto, there is at least six De Struise varieties currently available.

We're also co-hosting an event with Greg Clow later this Spring where De Struise's Double Black will be served, along with some other interesting offerings from our beer portfolio.

Any private orders in the near future for DeStruise?

[Belgian]

Direct from lcbo.com:

1. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 261297 | 750 mL | $ 13.45
2. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 89557 | 1000 mL | $ 13.45 | PRODUCT DISCONTINUED

Yeah... they know how to jack UP price, don't they? Maybe it's time we had some token public hangings of LCBO execs just to, you know, quell the unrest of the masses.

[mintjellie]

Direct from lcbo.com:

1. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 261297 | 750 mL | $ 13.45
2. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 89557 | 1000 mL | $ 13.45 | PRODUCT DISCONTINUED

Yeah... they know how to jack UP price, don't they? Maybe it's time we had some token public hangings of LCBO execs just to, you know, quell the unrest of the masses.

HIGHLAND PARK 15 YEARS OLD SINGLE MALT SCOTCH WHISKY
LCBO 11882 | 750 mL bottle

Price: $ 84.55

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/highland+park+15

USA flag
Universal Fine Wine & Spirits
USA (FL): Holiday. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$49.67
Bottle
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Enoteca Lucantoni
Italy: Rome [Roma]. Quantity discounts are available. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$51.16
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MA-Wine - Wine Mall
Germany: North Rhine-Westphalia. Some prices listed may include sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$52.05
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Rye Brook Wine & Spirit Shop
USA (NY): Port Chester. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$57.48
Bottle
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Calvert Woodley
USA (DC): Washington. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$59.61
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Wine Exchange
USA (CA): Orange. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$59.61
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Marketview Liquor
USA (NY): Rochester. 10% case discount on some wines. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$59.61
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Stirling Fine Wines
USA (NJ): Stirling. 20% mixed case discount on most items. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$59.61
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B-21
USA (FL): Tarpon Springs. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$59.61
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Scotchmo.com
USA (NJ): Edison. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$60.60
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Ultimate Wine Shop
USA (NJ): Iselin. Discounts of 30-70% and a large free shipping section. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$60.80
Bottle
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International Wine Shop
USA (CT): Westport. Minimum order of 75 USD. Discounts vary per product and quantity. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$60.90
Bottle
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PJ Wine
USA (NY): New York. Case discounts available; excludes items already discounted. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$61.60
Bottle
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eBuyWines.com
Spain: Asturias. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$61.67
Bottle
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Toast Wines By Taste
USA (CT): Hartford. 10% mixed case discounts. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$62.59
Bottle
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Star Wines and Liquors
USA (NY): Monroe. 15% discount off case purchases of wine (excluding sale items). Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$62.59
Bottle
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Wine Anthology.com
USA (NJ): Clark. Discount: 25% off all non-sale 750ml x 12 or more on wines items only. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$63.59
Bottle
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NapaCabs
USA (CA): Chino. Minimum order may apply to some items. Discount - earn Reward Points on purchases and referrals. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.54
Bottle
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Tarzana Wine & Spirits
USA (CA): Los Angeles. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.54
Bottle
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Shoppers Wines
USA (NJ): Union. 20% discount on 12 bottles of wine - non sale items only. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.54
Bottle
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The Wine Club
USA (CA): Santa Ana. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.58
Bottle
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Sterling Cellars
USA (NY): Mahopac. Minimum order of 50 USD. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.58
Bottle
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Vine & Table Gourmet Market
USA (IN): Carmel. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.58
Bottle
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Mister Wright Fine Wines & Spirits
USA (NY): New York. 10% mix and match case discount available. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$64.58
Bottle
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Wine House
USA (CA): Los Angeles. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$65.57
Bottle
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[iguenard]

Direct from lcbo.com:

1. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 261297 | 750 mL | $ 13.45
2. NOILLY PRAT ORIGINAL DRY VERMOUTH
France | Noilly Prat S.A.
LCBO 89557 | 1000 mL | $ 13.45 | PRODUCT DISCONTINUED

Yeah... they know how to jack UP price, don't they? Maybe it's time we had some token public hangings of LCBO execs just to, you know, quell the unrest of the masses.

HIGHLAND PARK 15 YEARS OLD SINGLE MALT SCOTCH WHISKY
LCBO 11882 | 750 mL bottle

Price: $ 84.55

http://www.wine-searcher.com/find/highland+park+15

USA flag
Universal Fine Wine & Spirits
USA (FL): Holiday. Price excludes sales tax.




NV Visit Store
CA$49.67
Bottle
Italy flag
Enoteca Lucantoni
Italy: Rome [Roma]. Quantity discounts are available. Price excludes sales tax.


*snip*

If you're a fan, the 21 year old 1 litre bottle was 99$ at the Odgensburg duty free this summer.

[phirleh]

One of the most simple yet elegant bottles, with a giant un-spellchecked Avery label smack in the middle of it.

[SteelbackGuy]

People who watch Sun News or read the Sun paper and expect any semblance of truth, integrity, and quality journalism, are poor misled souls indeed.