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velovampire wrote:
...Excellent news about the No. 9 in bottles - groundbreaking in that it's the first bottled Ontario-made IPA (real IPA, i.e. 6%+ abv)...
What about Curmudgeon? Or Magnotta/True North for that matter?
Quite right - I should have clarified that by "real" I meant more West Coast than British in style - a very subjective use of the term "real", I know, but still...
velovampire wrote:I should have clarified that by "real" I meant more West Coast than British in style
What about Beau's IPEh?
Further clarification - the No. 9 is NOT a seasonal. So in that sense, it is groundbreaking, to have an Ontario-brewed, West Coast-style IPA that will be available in bottles, year-round. I'm sorry, I guess I need to be more specific/careful in the wording of my posts. I agree there are many superb locally brewed IPAs, but the prospect of having a hankering for one at any given moment, at any time of the year, and being able to go out and buy a 6, is very exciting to me.
velovampire wrote:I should have clarified that by "real" I meant more West Coast than British in style
What about Beau's IPEh?
Further clarification - the No. 9 is NOT a seasonal. So in that sense, it is groundbreaking, to have an Ontario-brewed, West Coast-style IPA that will be available in bottles, year-round. I'm sorry, I guess I need to be more specific/careful in the wording of my posts. I agree there are many superb locally brewed IPAs, but the prospect of having a hankering for one at any given moment, at any time of the year, and being able to go out and buy a 6, is very exciting to me.
I know it's supposedly gone downhill recently, but doesn't Scotch Irish Sgt. Majors qualify here?
Further clarification - the No. 9 is NOT a seasonal. So in that sense, it is groundbreaking, to have an Ontario-brewed, West Coast-style IPA that will be available in bottles, year-round. I'm sorry, I guess I need to be more specific/careful in the wording of my posts. I agree there are many superb locally brewed IPAs, but the prospect of having a hankering for one at any given moment, at any time of the year, and being able to go out and buy a 6, is very exciting to me.
I know it's supposedly gone downhill recently, but doesn't Scotch Irish Sgt. Majors qualify here?
-Josh
I guess you should have left that original comment about the Sarge in there! I specifically left out Beau's because I didn't think it was bottled, and the Sarge doesn't meet his criteria from the first post of 6% plus, nor is it really all that West Coast anymore (if it ever really was).
velovampire wrote:I should have clarified that by "real" I meant more West Coast than British in style
What about Beau's IPEh?
Further clarification - the No. 9 is NOT a seasonal. So in that sense, it is groundbreaking, to have an Ontario-brewed, West Coast-style IPA that will be available in bottles, year-round. I'm sorry, I guess I need to be more specific/careful in the wording of my posts. I agree there are many superb locally brewed IPAs, but the prospect of having a hankering for one at any given moment, at any time of the year, and being able to go out and buy a 6, is very exciting to me.
I wouldn't say the Duggan is anywhere close to a real West Coast IPA. Too malty, not enough hops, etc. Good beer though
We keep bitchin' for creativity and variety, then we pigeon hole every beer we come across. There is nothing wrong with west coast IPAs or cask conditioned bitters, but screw that! Let's see what the man brews and enjoy it (or pan it) on it's own terms.
Maybe we will get some great new 'Toronto style' beer if we give things a chance.
the.brewer wrote: then we might have been able to charge way, way more and the $40,000 a month rent would have been easier to pay!
Seriously? That's close to half a million a year! That doesn't seem possible to be profitable?
Will the bottled stuff be brewed at the pub as well? Like how Trafalgar has a tied house, or will it be contract-brewed, or be two separate entities like what Mill street is now doing?
the.brewer wrote: then we might have been able to charge way, way more and the $40,000 a month rent would have been easier to pay!
Seriously? That's close to half a million a year! That doesn't seem possible to be profitable?
Will the bottled stuff be brewed at the pub as well? Like how Trafalgar has a tied house, or will it be contract-brewed, or be two separate entities like what Mill street is now doing?
Congrats to Duggan for livin' the dream!
WHo the hell would pay $40,000 a month in rent?
If you`re reading this, there`s a 15% chance you`ve got a significant drinking problem. Get it fixed, get recovered!
I am quite serious. While the beer side was fun and satisfying, there were some serious numbers going on behind scenes. Of course, now that our landlord and subsequent ones have realised how much money they lost by closing us down and having the building vacant for so long, you can bet that the rent is a lot less now.
the.brewer wrote:.... I'd say that every year I meet about 5 or 10 people who say (Denison's Brew Pub)'s where they met, "dated", or even got engaged... almost all seemed to be people who appreciated good beer and food at a reasonable price. ...
Denison's was a proud institution just as beerbistro is today, I mean I was just getting into beer close to the time it closed but the food was as good as any I can think of in T-duh.
So naturally, all this had to be screwed up by something like exorbitant rent! But as we can see sometimes the mouth that feeds bites its own hand, ha ha. I mean after Denison's Victoria closed up, did many people go to that Strand place or whatever it was called?? Seemed kind of a ghost - the lesson: not always smart to mess with a good thing.
I was reading Stephen Beaumont's book A Taste For Beer, that's how I initially hunted down Denison's Weisse etc. at the still-open Pub in our own city.
