Founders

PeenSteen · Post by **PeenSteen** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:02 pm

TheSevenDuffs wrote:
SteelbackGuy wrote:LIke I said, I've been hearing grumblings of this for a bit now. I think Sammy is bang on here. LCBO uppers say they've got the samples tested as well.
What exactly does the LCBO do to "test" the samples? What are they looking for? Anthrax?

Kind of, they test for anything that may be health hazardous or unsafe. They also test for quality and a ton of other things. Cantilon was found to contain carcinogens so they passed on it for LCBO sale.

SteelbackGuy · Post by **SteelbackGuy** » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:33 pm

PeenSteen wrote:
TheSevenDuffs wrote:
SteelbackGuy wrote:LIke I said, I've been hearing grumblings of this for a bit now. I think Sammy is bang on here. LCBO uppers say they've got the samples tested as well.
What exactly does the LCBO do to "test" the samples? What are they looking for? Anthrax?
Kind of, they test for anything that may be health hazardous or unsafe. They also test for quality and a ton of other things. Cantilon was found to contain carcinogens so they passed on it for LCBO sale.

That's right.
And for the record, the LCBO Labs do the testing, but they are legislated to do so by the AGCO, and the results must comply with AGCO standards, not standards created by the LCBO.

mintjellie · Post by **mintjellie** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Potassium ferrocyanide isn't carcinogenic.

Belgian · Post by **Belgian** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 4:56 pm

mintjellie wrote:Potassium ferrocyanide isn't carcinogenic.

Exactly, they rejected Cantillon Kriek because of cyanide from cherry pits - this is a naturally-flavored traditional lambic. Not some Aspartame-loaded monstrosity that WILL give the lucky winner cancer.

The LCBO rejects Kriek beers that have lower cyanide levels than the wines they sell (since grape pips have cyanide also.)

And they still sell beers with Aspartame. See, to them beer SHOULD never have any trace cyanide. But of course it should have Aspartame.

Scottatron · Post by **Scottatron** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:14 pm

I seriously hope they bring in the breakfast stout. That would be amazing.

Edit: I didn't know that they rejected cantillon... That is rediculous if true.

grub · Post by **grub** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:22 pm

they also pitched a fit over older viscosity for having high levels of something traditionally found in and acceptable in bourbon but not in beer... probably because it's a bourbon barrel aged beer. the wisdom of the lcbo labs knows no bounds.

heebes · Post by **heebes** » Wed Mar 16, 2011 5:49 pm

this is just a roller-coaster ride of emotions!

Dokta Owange · Post by **Dokta Owange** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 5:17 pm

please let this not be a joke....Founders here would be awesome!

Bobsy · Post by **Bobsy** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 8:47 pm

PeenSteen wrote:I don't think that Sammy would lie about this sort of thing, I mean a guy with over 5000 BA reviews, belongs to numerous private order groups and probably has about 10 trades on the go right now probably doesn't have the time to go posting false information on beer forums. If the source was anybody else I would question it but you could name just about any North American city and he will tell you what bars, bottle shops and brewery's to visit. So there are my two cents on that matter, I'm sure he has a reliable source that he is going on. End rant

I wonder how many of those trades people were happy with? I know a few folks on BA who feel burned by Sammy's 'substitutions' on the fly. Whether he is credible as a source or not I cannot say, but I have very little respect for his approach to craft beer, and his dealings with other people in the community, and I know I am not alone in this view.

Also, as the BFG for much of Canada I can say that is someone has entered a beer incorrectly in my region it's usually Sammy, and viggo will say the same for Ontario. I guess numbers doesn't always equal knowledge...

PeenSteen · Post by **PeenSteen** » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:36 pm

Bobsy wrote:
PeenSteen wrote:I don't think that Sammy would lie about this sort of thing, I mean a guy with over 5000 BA reviews, belongs to numerous private order groups and probably has about 10 trades on the go right now probably doesn't have the time to go posting false information on beer forums. If the source was anybody else I would question it but you could name just about any North American city and he will tell you what bars, bottle shops and brewery's to visit. So there are my two cents on that matter, I'm sure he has a reliable source that he is going on. End rant
I wonder how many of those trades people were happy with? I know a few folks on BA who feel burned by Sammy's 'substitutions' on the fly. Whether he is credible as a source or not I cannot say, but I have very little respect for his approach to craft beer, and his dealings with other people in the community, and I know I am not alone in this view.

Also, as the BFG for much of Canada I can say that is someone has entered a beer incorrectly in my region it's usually Sammy, and viggo will say the same for Ontario. I guess numbers doesn't always equal knowledge...

These things I don't know and can't comment on one way or another. But in my personal experiences with Sammy he has always been good on his word and reliable.

cannondale · Post by **cannondale** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 1:46 pm

Belgian wrote:Not some Aspartame-loaded monstrosity that WILL give the lucky winner cancer.

Who said the what now?

mintjellie · Post by **mintjellie** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:07 pm

cannondale wrote:
Belgian wrote:Not some Aspartame-loaded monstrosity that WILL give the lucky winner cancer.
Who said the what now?

I thought aspartame caused alzheimers, not cancer.

Ukie · Post by **Ukie** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:33 pm

I'm confused, so is Founder's coming and if so when?

heebes · Post by **heebes** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:58 pm

maybe, maybe not. if so, not for 6 months at least...

Sanchex · Post by **Sanchex** » Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:28 pm

Bobsy wrote:
PeenSteen wrote:I don't think that Sammy would lie about this sort of thing, I mean a guy with over 5000 BA reviews, belongs to numerous private order groups and probably has about 10 trades on the go right now probably doesn't have the time to go posting false information on beer forums. If the source was anybody else I would question it but you could name just about any North American city and he will tell you what bars, bottle shops and brewery's to visit. So there are my two cents on that matter, I'm sure he has a reliable source that he is going on. End rant
I wonder how many of those trades people were happy with? I know a few folks on BA who feel burned by Sammy's 'substitutions' on the fly. Whether he is credible as a source or not I cannot say, but I have very little respect for his approach to craft beer, and his dealings with other people in the community, and I know I am not alone in this view.

Also, as the BFG for much of Canada I can say that is someone has entered a beer incorrectly in my region it's usually Sammy, and viggo will say the same for Ontario. I guess numbers doesn't always equal knowledge...

been a while since i checked in on bartowel and i remember why. personal slanderous crap. good job!