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Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:55 am
by notdan
SteelbackGuy wrote:By the way, with all the talk about red head kids, I just want to reassure all Bartowel members that you can still never trust a ginger.


Tonight I was in Guelph for the Caribou concert. Stopped in at the Woolwich Arrow for a few pints before the show. Had their house Heritage Ale (apparently brewed by F&M), which was watery and bland and boring. Followed this by a cask Maclean's Pale Ale which was fruity and caramelly and tasty and made me miss my time in England earlier this summer.

BTW, the Caribou show was freaking awesome. Amazing drummer. Tons of instrumentalists. Nice to see a band that uses actual horns instead of samples of horns.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:56 pm
by cratez
Went through the first three beers from the Autumn Ales release last night:

Hofbrau Oktoberfestbier - decent but too boozy for the style, more like a beefed up Helles Lager than a Marzen
Wychwood Wychcraft - good, with a distinctly British sulphur note
Cannery Blackberry Porter - my favourite of the lot, all of the elements I enjoy in a porter (roasty, chocolaty, spicy hops, dry finish) are masterfully balanced with the black berry flavours and aromas

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:00 pm
by matt7215
cratez wrote: Hofbrau Oktoberfestbier - decent but too boozy for the style, more like a beefed up Helles Lager than a Marzen
this one always struck me as a helles bock too

i really enjoy it though

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:01 pm
by mintjellie
matt7215 wrote:
cratez wrote: Hofbrau Oktoberfestbier - decent but too boozy for the style, more like a beefed up Helles Lager than a Marzen
this one always struck me as a helles bock too

i really enjoy it though
It seems to fit the BJCP guidelines though. I wouldn't say it has a rich malt profile though, from what I remember about having it as part of last years release.

http://www.bjcp.org/2008styles/style03.php

3B. Oktoberfest

Aroma: Rich German malt aroma (of Vienna and/or Munich malt). A light to moderate toasted malt aroma is often present. Clean lager aroma with no fruity esters or diacetyl. No hop aroma. Caramel aroma is inappropriate.

Appearance: Dark gold to deep orange-red color. Bright clarity, with solid, off-white, foam stand.

Flavor: Initial malty sweetness, but finish is moderately dry. Distinctive and complex maltiness often includes a toasted aspect. Hop bitterness is moderate, and noble hop flavor is low to none. Balance is toward malt, though the finish is not sweet. Noticeable caramel or roasted flavors are inappropriate. Clean lager character with no diacetyl or fruity esters.

Mouthfeel: Medium body, with a creamy texture and medium carbonation. Smooth. Fully fermented, without a cloying finish.

Overall Impression: Smooth, clean, and rather rich, with a depth of malt character. This is one of the classic malty styles, with a maltiness that is often described as soft, complex, and elegant but never cloying.

Comments: Domestic German versions tend to be golden, like a strong Pils-dominated Helles. Export German versions are typically orange-amber in color, and have a distinctive toasty malt character. German beer tax law limits the OG of the style at 14?P since it is a vollbier, although American versions can be stronger. “Fest” type beers are special occasion beers that are usually stronger than their everyday counterparts.

History: Origin is credited to Gabriel Sedlmayr, based on an adaptation of the Vienna style developed by Anton Dreher around 1840, shortly after lager yeast was first isolated. Typically brewed in the spring, signaling the end of the traditional brewing season and stored in cold caves or cellars during the warm summer months. Served in autumn amidst traditional celebrations.

Ingredients: Grist varies, although German Vienna malt is often the backbone of the grain bill, with some Munich malt, Pils malt, and possibly some crystal malt. All malt should derive from the finest quality two-row barley. Continental hops, especially noble varieties, are most authentic. Somewhat alkaline water (up to 300 PPM), with significant carbonate content is welcome. A decoction mash can help develop the rich malt profile.

Vital Statistics: OG: 1.050 – 1.057
IBUs: 20 – 28 FG: 1.012 – 1.016
SRM: 7 – 14 ABV: 4.8 – 5.7%

Commercial Examples: Paulaner Oktoberfest, Ayinger Oktoberfest-Märzen, Hacker-Pschorr Original Oktoberfest, Hofbräu Oktoberfest, Victory Festbier, Great Lakes Oktoberfest, Spaten Oktoberfest, Capital Oktoberfest, Gordon Biersch Märzen, Goose Island Oktoberfest, Samuel Adams Oktoberfest (a bit unusual in its late hopping)

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:04 pm
by mintjellie
I've also read that it's only in recent years that brewers have started making Helles Oktoberfest lagers, in response to changing consumer tastes. Are the export beers actually more traditional than what the Germans drink themselves?

Or is this information and/or the BJCP guidline flat out wrong.

Pootz?

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:05 pm
by icemachine
Prima Pils - Date coded from Dec/09 but still really tasty

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:13 pm
by heebes
rogue dead guy
young's double chocolate stout

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:09 pm
by Belgian
Fraoch Ales of Scotland Kelpie, tasting wonderfully of chocolate and salt.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:22 pm
by icemachine
Rodenbach Grand Cru

As they say over at DJF...

Boners Up

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:30 pm
by mahcinesquad
Great Lakes' Pompous Ass Ale.

Great aroma. Good balance of malt and hop. Happy to see a big flavour beer while still being low alcohol.

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:42 pm
by matt7215
icemachine wrote:Rodenbach Grand Cru

As they say over at DJF...

Boners Up
one of my all time favs!!

myself....central city red racer IPA

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:58 pm
by Soods
DFH 90 Minute IPA
Alpha King

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:53 pm
by Kish84
Unibroue Trois Pistoles
Bell's Java Stout - possibly something wrong with bottle, very sour
Great Divide Espresso Oaked Aged Yeti - WOW!!!!!
Jolly Pumpkin Madrugada Obscura Dark Dawn Stout
Cannery Blackberry Porter
Wychwood Wychcraft - did not enjoy
Saranac Pale Are
Great Lakes Devil's Pale Ale
DDC Derniere Velonte
DDC Blanche du Paradis

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:57 pm
by SteelbackGuy
Kish84 wrote:Unibroue Trois Pistoles
Bell's Java Stout - possibly something wrong with bottle, very sour
Great Divide Espresso Oaked Aged Yeti - WOW!!!!!
Jolly Pumpkin Madrugada Obscura Dark Dawn Stout
Cannery Blackberry Porter
Wychwood Wychcraft - did not enjoy
Saranac Pale Are
Great Lakes Devil's Pale Ale
DDC Derniere Velonte
DDC Blanche du Paradis

It sounded as though you guys had had a few when I was on the phone with ya! 8) 8) :lol:

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:03 pm
by Kish84
Just the average Wednesday for us... :D