Glad I posted my findings from a second bottle before Keep6 posted then.cmadd wrote:Prediction: All the naysayers will come flocking to LTMs defense now that it's official. This forum can be really goofy sometimes.
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Not me. I bought it, drank it and didn't like the taste. I drank the 2010 and loved it. I returned my remaining 3 bottles and won't be going to look for more based on this new information.cmadd wrote:Prediction: All the naysayers will come flocking to LTMs defense now that it's official. This forum can be really goofy sometimes.
I commend Keep6 for coming and posting this here...
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Firstly it's insane that a WBA winning beer from Quebec...a beer that we've been dying to get needs to defend itself.
I include myself in this when I say we truly are idiots.
Secondly, I was kind of hoping this would keep going on so all the LTM would be left on the shelves for yours truly.
Which reminds me...
THOSE BOTTLES OF FULLERS GOLDEN PRIDE AND DOUBLE STOUT ARE, UH, OFF AND GROSS...
THE STOUT TASTES LIKE OLD TIRES AND THERE'S FRUITINESS IN THE GOLDEN PRIDE (SOUR!!!) WHICH I'M SURE ISN'T INTENTIONAL. I'M SURE BECAUSE, UM, ME AND THE BREWER ARE BEST BUDS...
...DO NOT BUY!!!! LEAVE ON THE SHELVES. 3.75 IS TOO MUCH TO PAY THIS BEER!
I include myself in this when I say we truly are idiots.
Secondly, I was kind of hoping this would keep going on so all the LTM would be left on the shelves for yours truly.
Which reminds me...
THOSE BOTTLES OF FULLERS GOLDEN PRIDE AND DOUBLE STOUT ARE, UH, OFF AND GROSS...
THE STOUT TASTES LIKE OLD TIRES AND THERE'S FRUITINESS IN THE GOLDEN PRIDE (SOUR!!!) WHICH I'M SURE ISN'T INTENTIONAL. I'M SURE BECAUSE, UM, ME AND THE BREWER ARE BEST BUDS...
...DO NOT BUY!!!! LEAVE ON THE SHELVES. 3.75 IS TOO MUCH TO PAY THIS BEER!
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It tasted different to me and that different tasted "off" based on comparisons to prior vintages that I have had. It may not be skunked but it certainly is different. And I have tried prior vintages fresh.midlife crisis wrote:Yes, but isn't there a difference between infected or skunked, and merely "didn't like the taste". I didn't like the taste of the Ghosttown Absinthe Stout. Hideous stuff. But it never occurred to me to take it back -- that is what it is supposed to taste like.
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Sounds like y'all need to partake in some sensory training.
http://www.siebelinstitute.com/sensory_kit
Very worthwhile. I ran a 2-part sensory training session 2 years ago with this kit, and will be running one again next year.
Taking a BJCP course also wouldn't hurt, start working towards certification, and judging at comps. Again, really helps you learn about the various styles, how to pick out different flavours, and what is/isn't appropriate (according to BJCP of course).
Informal tastings are always fun, and while you don't want them to necessarily turn into dry classroom analysis, it is always worthwhile to at least share and discuss what you are all tasting. This is actually what makes it fun, especially with "new" tasters involved, as there is no right or wrong, it makes them feel a part of things, and gets them starting to think about beer flavours too. The only potential harm in these sorts of things is if the "alpha" taster in the group doesn't know shit from shinola...
But like I say, it takes a lot of focused effort and studying to really nail down beer flavours and beer styles. You need to sample a lot of beers to really get the hang of it. How many of you can say you have sampled other Baltic Porters besides LTM? Probably not too many, yet everyone likes to come on the internet and talk like they are some friggin expert about them.*
*I do see the irony in this final statement
http://www.siebelinstitute.com/sensory_kit
Very worthwhile. I ran a 2-part sensory training session 2 years ago with this kit, and will be running one again next year.
Taking a BJCP course also wouldn't hurt, start working towards certification, and judging at comps. Again, really helps you learn about the various styles, how to pick out different flavours, and what is/isn't appropriate (according to BJCP of course).
Informal tastings are always fun, and while you don't want them to necessarily turn into dry classroom analysis, it is always worthwhile to at least share and discuss what you are all tasting. This is actually what makes it fun, especially with "new" tasters involved, as there is no right or wrong, it makes them feel a part of things, and gets them starting to think about beer flavours too. The only potential harm in these sorts of things is if the "alpha" taster in the group doesn't know shit from shinola...
But like I say, it takes a lot of focused effort and studying to really nail down beer flavours and beer styles. You need to sample a lot of beers to really get the hang of it. How many of you can say you have sampled other Baltic Porters besides LTM? Probably not too many, yet everyone likes to come on the internet and talk like they are some friggin expert about them.*
*I do see the irony in this final statement
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It is fantastic. I served up each sample blind, let everyone smell, taste and discuss what they thought it was, then actually revealed what it was and elaborated.TheSevenDuffs wrote:@markaberrant - that kit seems like it would be pretty interesting to try out.
The human memory is very good when it comes to aroma. Once you really get a good smell of some of these off flavours in a setting such as this, you can easily pick them out at much lower intensities in the future.
At a recent tasting, someone pulled out Lagunitas Hop Stoopid which has a HUGE tropical hop nose. One of the tasters, who wasn't used to such aromatics from hops, was sure this was due to fruity esters. With a little bit of group discussion, and explaining how new hop varieties produce this character, he was ok with it, and I can guarantee he will be able to pick this out next time. Had he gone off on his own and reviewed it online, he would have claimed it was a fruity, estery mess of a beer...
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Just catching up with this discussion. I haven't had the 2011 yet except for the barrel-aged version at Cask Days.
I also had the 2010 at Cask Days (from the bottle) and it had an aged note (a bit soy-like) typical of some aged stouts.
I thought both were excellent.
I'll give my own view here later on the current bottling.
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I also had the 2010 at Cask Days (from the bottle) and it had an aged note (a bit soy-like) typical of some aged stouts.
I thought both were excellent.
I'll give my own view here later on the current bottling.
Gary
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Tasting this now. I find this in perfect condition. There is a marked smoked note to the beer, clearly part of the malt was kilned over wood. I wonder if the smoke taste is putting some people off.
Nothing wrong with this beer IMO. I believe laying it down for a few months would subdue the smoky notes, integrate them more with the malt and hops.
My only suggestion to the brewer would be to make a top-fermented version. The Baltic porter style is interesting but the original London ale fermentation might ratchet it up a notch.
Gary
Nothing wrong with this beer IMO. I believe laying it down for a few months would subdue the smoky notes, integrate them more with the malt and hops.
My only suggestion to the brewer would be to make a top-fermented version. The Baltic porter style is interesting but the original London ale fermentation might ratchet it up a notch.
Gary
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Although I can't comment on the bottles in question the one I tried was excellent. Perhaps this beer is just not to the masses taste. Such a big beer will have a complex aroma and taste. I'm curious if these so called bad bottles were served properly. In a snifter, at 12-14C and sipped slowly. I'll be cracking open another bottle tonight!