Flying Monkeys - Netherworld

northyorksammy · Post by **northyorksammy** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:31 pm

My vite is for Black IPA, check out SOuthern Tier's Inquity

viggo · Post by **viggo** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:36 pm

Derek wrote:
matt7215 wrote:
viggo wrote:Hey Peter, do an american porter!
+1
It really is a sadly neglected style that can be SO good.

I love the Edmund Fitzgerald:
http://www.greatlakesbrewing.com/beerPr ... ?beer_id=5

But yeah, it sounds like Peter's thinking something more along the lines of the alpha klaus (though perhaps not quite that strong).

I like the philosophy of brewing to taste, rather than style... but if you end up with something stout/porter-ish, keep Volo's First Annual Ontario Stout/Porter Cask Challenge (January 2010) in mind!

Styles are a guideline and nothing more. We do a badass imperial porter thats Alpha Klaus-ish I suppose, boatload of hops in that one.

kwjd · Post by **kwjd** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:24 pm

You should make a stout... the bigger the better! Even with small ABV, you can still get some pretty big flavour, as St Ambroise Oatmeal Stout shows us (also Deschutes Obsidian Stout, but I haven't seen it anywhere except in the brewpub in Portland).

The Great Gatsby · Post by **The Great Gatsby** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:51 pm

I vote for a porter but I'm generally just excited to see another offering from Flying Monkeys....everyone I give a Hoptical to absolutely loves it.

peterchiodo · Post by **peterchiodo** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:45 pm

Thanks for all of the ideas……I love Southern Tier, Edmund Fitzgerald, Great divide, and of course Three Floyds...(my wife and I had a Robert the Bruce last evening).

0. Netherworld (the name is still a working name but my first draft pick right now).
1. I agree, I’m definitely brewing to taste—not style. I think we should colour outside of the lines on this one. Porter or Stout or Hybrid/Specialty? Black IPA is sooo tempting.
2. ABV –I think we’ll start at 6%...(below airplane fuel levels).
3. Malts—roast, black, chocolate, coffee, and crystal—so many possibilities….not sure where to start as of yet.
4. Hops…lots of hops—I mean lots…….Centennial – bittering / Willamette flavour/aroma (dry hopped, of course). I could go noble and dry hop with East Kent Gouldings or west coast with Cascade. Not sure yet. I just want hops ...boatloads of hops.
5. IBUs....1,000...just joking...the malt could probably handle 35 quite easily.
6. If I plan on brewing it in two weeks, I better get my shit together and start sampling some more American micros (for reference, of course). As brewers, I really think we need to try harder! Perhaps then, we will have more Ontario beers on top of the ratebeer list and not in the dungeon!

Yours in brewing,

Peter

bartle · Post by **bartle** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:18 pm

It'd be nice to see something on the porter side. An Imperial Porter, if you will.

Black, chocolate, coffee, and crystal would be great malts!
I could imagine a little roast malt as well might put a little smoke twist in with the all the other porter characteristics.

Bitter with Centennial, flavor/aroma with Willamette and dry hop that sucker with Cascade until it hurts.
You could easily get the IBU's 80+(higher please) and still have a very good malt balance. I could only imagine the complexity of the aroma.

If it got to 7%ABV I don't think that would hurt too much. As a little warming alcohol might bring out some fruitiness on the palate.

...and keep it unfiltered.

Pop a cherry on top and you've got yourself a heavenly Netherworld.
at least... I would dream of a brew like this being delicious for my own taste buds.

This would be a dream, in my opinion.

cheerio,

- b

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:22 pm

Sounds good. Something like a Robust porter (chocolaty with a hint of roast) would be great with Centennial & Cascade.

6% would be a nice drinker... and with crystal malt it'd easily take 40 IBU, depending on the bitter-sweet balance you're going for.

I think it's another great name too!

kinguy · Post by **kinguy** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 9:36 pm

With a name like Netherworld, it's GOT to be either a Robust Porter or an Impy Stout.

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:33 am

I'm still partial to something stout/porterish... though an Indian Brown Ale could also be interesting...
http://hartandthistle.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-ale.html

haelduksf · Post by **haelduksf** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:46 am

We haven't seen any good baltic porters around here for a while...

peterchiodo · Post by **peterchiodo** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:32 am

Derek wrote:I'm still partial to something stout/porterish... though an Indian Brown Ale could also be interesting...
http://hartandthistle.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-ale.html

Nice Malt bill.....thinking 73 IBUs is a little big for Netherworld but right in line for the IPA that is likely to follow it up.

P-

peterchiodo · Post by **peterchiodo** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:33 am

Derek wrote:I'm still partial to something stout/porterish... though an Indian Brown Ale could also be interesting...
http://hartandthistle.blogspot.com/2009 ... n-ale.html

Nice Malt bill.....thinking 73 IBUs is a little big for Netherworld but right in line for the IPA that is likely to follow it up.

P-

pootz · Post by **pootz** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:03 pm

peterchiodo wrote: Forget about BJCP styles or any gunk like that. I’m just thinking a big, dark (blackish), ugly, roasty, malty, caramely beer with lots of BIG dry hop flavour. I’m not big on fusel alcohol so nothing stupid in terms of ABV that would take away from the hops and malt flavour.

Sounds like tasting notes for the 2004 Fuller's vintage ale

I’m not looking for recipes….I'm just opening the line for wacked-out ideas...

Have you ever done a double cream porter on your 5/10 gal set? Mighty black, malty,roasty, smooth but with a gnarly dry hop balance in the body. Last big Cream Porter I attempted came in at 6.4%...not really boozy for doubling the grain/hop bill.

Belgian · Post by **Belgian** » Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:56 pm

Derek wrote:Sounds good. Something like a Robust porter (chocolaty with a hint of roast) would be great with Centennial & Cascade...

I think it's another great name too!

Me too. And I also thought much along the lines of porter you describe. Could it even be a touch smoky or is that a tricky thing to implement?

Bobsy · Post by **Bobsy** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:46 am

Belgian wrote:Could it even be a touch smoky or is that a tricky thing to implement?

Surely you could just use some smoked malt?

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