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Postby ercousin » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:54 pm

Blasphomet wrote:Meeeeeow! I drink what comes in, sweetheart. :D

Odd though, since none of the beer in this style rate at 100 for style.. which means there must be no point of reference to what the perfect gueuze is at all LOL!


That will probably always be the case with styles that need an acquired taste like belgian sour ales. Someone will inevitably try it thinking they like craft beer so why not this rare gueuze, then be surprised that it is sour and think something is wrong with it.

Much lower barrier of entry drinking to get used to drinking hop bombs than sours.
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Postby Blasphomet » Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:55 pm

liamt07 wrote:
Blasphomet wrote:Somewhat surprised at it's 'style' rating on RB.

Probably because you haven't had the top beers in that style, and lack an accurate point of reference.


Meeeeeow! I drink what comes in, sweetheart. :D

Odd though, since none of the beer in this style rate at 100 for style.. which means there must be no point of reference to what the perfect gueuze is at all LOL!

Have you tried many? I bet you've tried 'em all!
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Postby liamt07 » Tue Aug 12, 2014 4:18 pm

Blasphomet wrote:
liamt07 wrote:
Blasphomet wrote:Somewhat surprised at it's 'style' rating on RB.

Probably because you haven't had the top beers in that style, and lack an accurate point of reference.


Meeeeeow! I drink what comes in, sweetheart. :D

Odd though, since none of the beer in this style rate at 100 for style.. which means there must be no point of reference to what the perfect gueuze is at all LOL!

Have you tried many? I bet you've tried 'em all!


Yeah! There aren't any 100's in this style!

http://www.ratebeer.com/beer/3-fonteine ... auw/46868/

Because real gueuze is a relatively rare style (and thus there are not a large number of examples that exist), there will be a very small number of 100 style ratings, as opposed to something like an IPA or an imperial stout. This will also give very good gueuzes a relatively low style rating, independent of how good they actually taste. Might be useful to look at anything in the style > 80 style rating.

Nonetheless, a 32 rating for style isn't good at all. And this beer ain't great either.
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Postby spinrsx » Tue Aug 12, 2014 7:01 pm

I'll take whatever gueuze I can get from the lcbo regime. Beggars can't be choosers.
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Postby Belgian » Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:21 pm

liamt07 wrote:Yeah! There aren't any 100's in this style!

Because real gueuze is a relatively rare style (and thus there are not a large number of examples that exist), there will be a very small number of 100 style ratings, as opposed to something like an IPA or an imperial stout. This will also give very good gueuzes a relatively low style rating, independent of how good they actually taste. Might be useful to look at anything in the style > 80 style rating.

Nonetheless, a 32 rating for style isn't good at all. And this beer ain't great either.

Or else they are all very good, and the best ones are just those over the 67th percentile. You've just made either argument. Personally I think Fond Tradition is glorified duck's piss but I hope other people will like it. I did like regular Belle Vue Gueuze even though I was aware it was an 'adulterated' simple commercial style, it had some balanced non-sticky sweetness, a complex tartness that wasn't a trainwreck of off-flavors and vinegar, and all kinds of nice funky cellar nuances enjoyable for the non-sourheads (that's me.) It was a great food pairing beer and I drank cases of it around 1999.

Come to think I haven't even TRIED the bottles of Drei Fonteinen I bought a year or two ago. I sort of expect it will taste like more refined duck piss... however I remain open-minded as my palate will tolerate. That's the adventure in it all.
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Postby groulxsome » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:26 pm

Belgian wrote:Personally I think Fond Tradition is glorified duck's piss


I really need to get around to sampling more animal piss. Is there a Bar Towel equivalent for urine sampling?
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Postby Eli » Tue Aug 12, 2014 10:58 pm

Blasphomet wrote:
liamt07 wrote:
Blasphomet wrote:Somewhat surprised at it's 'style' rating on RB.

Probably because you haven't had the top beers in that style, and lack an accurate point of reference.


Meeeeeow! I drink what comes in, sweetheart. :D

Odd though, since none of the beer in this style rate at 100 for style.. which means there must be no point of reference to what the perfect gueuze is at all LOL!

Have you tried many? I bet you've tried 'em all!


Gueuze fight!

Personally, St Louis only rates behind the obvious Cantillon and 3 Fonteinen, and Timmermans. So happy LCBO brought this.
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Postby boney » Tue Aug 12, 2014 11:09 pm

I've always quite liked Fond Tradition, to be honest, but tastes differ. I always thought it would probably score higher if it was the same exact gueuze made by someone else other than St. Louis/van Honsebrouck. To that, I held a blind tasting maybe 2 or so years ago that included Fond Tradition, Cantillon Bio, Tilquin, Hanssens, Cuvee Rene and Mariage Parfait. Between 3 people, Fond Tradition tied for second. Not saying it's a world beater, but it's certainly serviceable.
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Postby Craig » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:36 am

Belgian wrote:
liamt07 wrote:Yeah! There aren't any 100's in this style!

Because real gueuze is a relatively rare style (and thus there are not a large number of examples that exist), there will be a very small number of 100 style ratings, as opposed to something like an IPA or an imperial stout. This will also give very good gueuzes a relatively low style rating, independent of how good they actually taste. Might be useful to look at anything in the style > 80 style rating.

Nonetheless, a 32 rating for style isn't good at all. And this beer ain't great either.

Or else they are all very good, and the best ones are just those over the 67th percentile. You've just made either argument. Personally I think Fond Tradition is glorified duck's piss but I hope other people will like it. I did like regular Belle Vue Gueuze even though I was aware it was an 'adulterated' simple commercial style, it had some balanced non-sticky sweetness, a complex tartness that wasn't a trainwreck of off-flavors and vinegar, and all kinds of nice funky cellar nuances enjoyable for the non-sourheads (that's me.) It was a great food pairing beer and I drank cases of it around 1999.

Come to think I haven't even TRIED the bottles of Drei Fonteinen I bought a year or two ago. I sort of expect it will taste like more refined duck piss... however I remain open-minded as my palate will tolerate. That's the adventure in it all.


If you do find that your DrieF taste like duck piss, I'd be happy to take them off your hands.
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Postby spinrsx » Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:21 pm

spotted the fond tradition on the totalwine.com webpage:

St Louis Gueuze Fond Tradition
375ml
$9.99 + CRV
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Postby Belgian » Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:48 pm

squeaky wrote:If you do find that your DrieF taste like duck piss, I'd be happy to take them off your hands.

Thanks man! I wish I could enjoy more Gueuze, it's likely more due to my personal limits of sour tolerance than how good they must be to people from Mars. Truly a baffling thing, as I can enjoy the most tannic wines and those aren't so pretty.
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Postby jrenihan » Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:22 pm

I think the Fond Tradition is pretty good. It is certainly not in the league of Cantillon or Drie Fonteinen, but who is expecting it to be? Gueuze is probably my favourite stye of beer, and I am certainly glad to have some Fond Tradition in the basement to drink when the mood strikes. One benefit to having some "lesser" gueuze around is that I can just happily drink it instead of wondering if I should save it for later - which inevitably happens with the more expensive/harder to find examples.

In any event, very happy anytime the LCBO brings in a lambic! Beggers can't be choosers. I probably should have bought more - didn't expect it to move this quickly.
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from the duck's ass to your fucking glass

Postby Belgian » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:35 pm

jrenihan wrote:I think the Fond Tradition is pretty good. One benefit to having some "lesser" gueuze around is that I can just happily drink it instead of wondering if I should save it for later - which inevitably happens with the more expensive/harder to find examples.

Yup. I drank through mine despite my reservations, it has some character. Are there any good recipes for cooking with a beer like this? And can any of you "Gary" together a beer cocktail that is less sharply lemony/vinegary? I know it's a sacreleige but I'm jsut trying to get along with a difficult beer style.
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Re: from the duck's ass to your fucking glass

Postby boney » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:47 pm

Belgian wrote:
jrenihan wrote:I think the Fond Tradition is pretty good. One benefit to having some "lesser" gueuze around is that I can just happily drink it instead of wondering if I should save it for later - which inevitably happens with the more expensive/harder to find examples.

Yup. I drank through mine despite my reservations, it has some character. Are there any good recipes for cooking with a beer like this? And can any of you "Gary" together a beer cocktail that is less sharply lemony/vinegary? I know it's a sacreleige but I'm jsut trying to get along with a difficult beer style.


Gueuze or a gueuze cream sauce over muscles is classic and heavenly!
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Postby boney » Wed Aug 13, 2014 5:49 pm

er......."mussels". Haha

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