I have a sentimental connection to it for sure. Back in the old days before everything was crazy in the world I went to a couple of the Black Friday releases at the Goose Island pub in Chicago. Some great memories.
I'd happily take recommendations for local bourbon barrel imp stouts that folks have enjoyed!
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If you introduce the value-for-dollar part of the equation, I'll entertain the notion that there are better options in Ontario. But I'm fairly price inelastic when it comes to something that I really like and big barrel-aged stouts and barleywines (unadulterated with any pastry adjuncts) tick that box for me. I'd go the other way and say BCBS is worth the hype. It's a style that's often duplicated, but seldom replicated. So many of them have base stouts that aren't big enough to absorb the barrel treatment and I think the ability to meticulously blend different batches gives larger producers like Goose an unfair advantage over smaller breweries that are putting all their faith in one barrel.
The best Ontario brewed barrel-aged stouts for me would be from Third Moon (when they don't go the adjunct route) and Barncat (no longer an option, and now I'll need to sweat the decision every time I want to crack one of my remaining beers from them).
The best Ontario brewed barrel-aged stouts for me would be from Third Moon (when they don't go the adjunct route) and Barncat (no longer an option, and now I'll need to sweat the decision every time I want to crack one of my remaining beers from them).
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I'm not a bourbon barrel stout connoisseur, so this is more a question than an assertion, but isn't Double Tempest the obvious answer?
That's the one that comes to mind - I should give it a try again. Lots of them seem to have other funky ingredients in them, such as this year's Collective Origin of Darkness, which I've enjoyed in the past.midlife crisis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 2:16 pm I'm not a bourbon barrel stout connoisseur, so this is more a question than an assertion, but isn't Double Tempest the obvious answer?
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I'm with you - I'm an unashamed fan of BCBS and haven't been able to find a straight-up bourbon barrel stout in Ontario (so w/o the extra flavourings and such) that is quite the same, IMO.Provost Drunk wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:16 pm I'd go the other way and say BCBS is worth the hype. It's a style that's often duplicated, but seldom replicated.
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As mentioned, Third Moon and Barncat have done some wonderful stuff in this category. Both have made bourbon barrel impy stouts far superior to the BCBS I had.
Amsterdam and Collective Arts, as mentioned, have also had some solid entries into this category. Great Lakes Solstice is another one. I'm going to give a shout to Wellington's M31 Andromeda, which for less than $6/335ml can is a steal, even if it isn't as good as it's more expensive Ontario counterparts. It's actually somewhat similar BCBS as it's more subtle, not the huge flavour bombs like TM and Barncat... maybe not as complex, but for the price compared to BSBC, well I can't see myself ever getting a bottle of BSBC again tbh.
On the flip side, unfortunately Nicklebrook, who may have arguably had the best bourbon RIS ever at one point, has totally fallen by the wayside in this category.
Amsterdam and Collective Arts, as mentioned, have also had some solid entries into this category. Great Lakes Solstice is another one. I'm going to give a shout to Wellington's M31 Andromeda, which for less than $6/335ml can is a steal, even if it isn't as good as it's more expensive Ontario counterparts. It's actually somewhat similar BCBS as it's more subtle, not the huge flavour bombs like TM and Barncat... maybe not as complex, but for the price compared to BSBC, well I can't see myself ever getting a bottle of BSBC again tbh.
On the flip side, unfortunately Nicklebrook, who may have arguably had the best bourbon RIS ever at one point, has totally fallen by the wayside in this category.
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Ugh, yeah. Some of those 'Bastard' series were SO good.MatttthewGeorge wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 3:46 pm ...On the flip side, unfortunately Nicklebrook, who may have arguably had the best bourbon RIS ever at one point, has totally fallen by the wayside in this category.
The price on BCBS is what it is, but I can't get behind calling that beer underwhelming. It's been great every time I've had it.
Double Tempest is my favourite Ontario beer of the style. You can get it online from Amsterdam right now, shame they don't deliver to Guelph.
Bellwoods BOYD was pretty good. I think that release has come and gone already this year.
One other favourite from Ontario is Great Lakes anniversary stout. I wonder when they'll make it next, I really loved that beer.
Double Tempest is my favourite Ontario beer of the style. You can get it online from Amsterdam right now, shame they don't deliver to Guelph.
Bellwoods BOYD was pretty good. I think that release has come and gone already this year.
One other favourite from Ontario is Great Lakes anniversary stout. I wonder when they'll make it next, I really loved that beer.
The decline of the Bastard series has been disappointing. In the mid to late 2010s those were some of the best BA stouts going. Last I had was around 2020/2021 and I noticed a significant drop-off. It was watery, unbalanced. Hopefully it returns to form.
I'd recommend trying Left Field's Blackburne series- they've got a 3-pack of BA variants plus the original for $19 at the LCBO right now. They're perhaps not as good as Goose Island, but like the Wellington series, they are a good value comparatively.
Despite my earlier comment about not bothering to buy BCBS since 2020, I will say I respect that it's a straight up BA RIS which can be harder to find. I find the adjunct on top of adjunct thing is a little much these days, it gets to a point where you obscure any nuance. Less is more, am I right? In fact going further I often most enjoy plain ol' imperial stouts even sans barrel-aging. OG Tempest is one of my favourite Ontario beers.
I'd recommend trying Left Field's Blackburne series- they've got a 3-pack of BA variants plus the original for $19 at the LCBO right now. They're perhaps not as good as Goose Island, but like the Wellington series, they are a good value comparatively.
Despite my earlier comment about not bothering to buy BCBS since 2020, I will say I respect that it's a straight up BA RIS which can be harder to find. I find the adjunct on top of adjunct thing is a little much these days, it gets to a point where you obscure any nuance. Less is more, am I right? In fact going further I often most enjoy plain ol' imperial stouts even sans barrel-aging. OG Tempest is one of my favourite Ontario beers.
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Wellington Imperial Stout is still going strong it seems. Really liked it back in the day. Is it still as good as ever? Going back even further, I used to look forward to Grand River Russian Gun every winter, but I know that one is long gone, lol.
Haven't had it yet this year but every year previous and I'd say it's still as good as ever.midlife crisis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:52 amWellington Imperial Stout is still going strong it seems. Really liked it back in the day. Is it still as good as ever? Going back even further, I used to look forward to Grand River Russian Gun every winter, but I know that one is long gone, lol.
Perhaps with the caveat for those who are less familiar, it really is more of a traditional English take on an RIS; i.e. how they likely tasted back in the day. It's not nearly as potent or aggressive as the typical American-style imperial stouts more commonly brewed here. But for that I love it, it's fantastic and I look forward to its return every year- also makes me wish Fuller's RIS still showed up here. Vintage Ale is great, happy to see it back, but my god I love their RIS.
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seangm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:26 amHaven't had it yet this year but every year previous and I'd say it's still as good as ever.midlife crisis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:52 amWellington Imperial Stout is still going strong it seems. Really liked it back in the day. Is it still as good as ever? Going back even further, I used to look forward to Grand River Russian Gun every winter, but I know that one is long gone, lol.
Perhaps with the caveat for those who are less familiar, it really is more of a traditional English take on an RIS; i.e. how they likely tasted back in the day. It's not nearly as potent or aggressive as the typical American-style imperial stouts more commonly brewed here. But for that I love it, it's fantastic and I look forward to its return every year- also makes me wish Fuller's RIS still showed up here. Vintage Ale is great, happy to see it back, but my god I love their RIS.
Just had the standard Welly RIS this past weekend and it's as solid as ever. Maybe even more so, so either they're tweaked it for the better, or I like many others laminating in here, would just prefer non-adjuct beers.
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^Great to hear. Hasn't shown up at any of the LCBOs I frequent so looks like I might have to travel.
And for BA stouts, one I completely forgot about- Never Say Never from Rouge River. Totally forgot I had some of those and cracked open a 2021 can aged in Elijah Craig barrels. Phenomenal. I would say that series can hold its own against BCBS. 1-2 years in the can seems to be the sweet spot, the bourbon is very punchy initially.
And for BA stouts, one I completely forgot about- Never Say Never from Rouge River. Totally forgot I had some of those and cracked open a 2021 can aged in Elijah Craig barrels. Phenomenal. I would say that series can hold its own against BCBS. 1-2 years in the can seems to be the sweet spot, the bourbon is very punchy initially.
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Was hoping they'd ship to Georgetown as I have family there, but no. Disappointed, I would have liked to order this among other things.
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