Mediocre Beer

[midlife crisis]

now, find me a good tripel or quad made in Ontario. THAT shocks the hell out of me. no clue why no one dares to make one

Publican House Eight or Better.

[matt7215]

now, find me a good tripel or quad made in Ontario. THAT shocks the hell out of me. no clue why no one dares to make one

Publican House Eight or Better.

That beer was worse then mediocre.

[midlife crisis]

Well I'm sorry it doesn't meet your standards, but I've had it a few times on tap (not recently mind you) and it was just fine.

[iguenard]

After a cursory glance through the Quebec ratings I'd be really interested in seeing an analysis of homer ratings across provinces. I find Quebecers are always shouting about the quality of their beers, many of which have been extremely 'meh' for me. Then again, some of the lower ratings for many of those beers are from Ontarians, maybe we're just dicks to everyone (with a special amount of dickitude for our own brewers). I'm probably wrong, but there seems to be a pattern in some of those beers.

Someone summed it up beautifully for me yesterday... They said "Not only do quebecers not know ontario beer, but ontarians dont know quebec beers... besides, Quebec sucks at making Ontarian IPAs, and everyone is very comfortable with that idea".

Genius I think.

Besides, when it comes to IPAs, I dont think its so much homerism, as getting to drink it fresh next door, rather than imported and stale from a warehouse.

[Bytowner]

Someone summed it up beautifully for me yesterday... They said "Not only do quebecers not know ontario beer, but ontarians dont know quebec beers... besides, Quebec sucks at making Ontarian IPAs, and everyone is very comfortable with that idea".

Every part of that quote is bizarre to me.

[iguenard]

Someone summed it up beautifully for me yesterday... They said "Not only do quebecers not know ontario beer, but ontarians dont know quebec beers... besides, Quebec sucks at making Ontarian IPAs, and everyone is very comfortable with that idea".

Every part of that quote is bizarre to me.

I'll explain her logic next time we share a beer

[dale cannon]

now, find me a good tripel or quad made in Ontario. THAT shocks the hell out of me. no clue why no one dares to make one

barnstormer fordian slip is very promising.

[liamt07]

it was just fine.

That there folks, is your problem.

[saints_gambit]

The problem, dudelingers, is a phenomenon I call the Gentleman's 3.5

It's a thing my friend J.D. introduced to me in undergrad. Essentially attempting to get a mark in a course that was respectable, but did not require effort. If you had half a brain in your head and knew pop culture, you could take the first year psych courses and get a C+ without studying.

It sort of depends on where your personal baseline is for quality, but if you assume that the average guy is going to give anything that doesn't suck completely a 2/5 on untappd, a 3.5 becomes the new average rating.

It throws off the dialogue because suddenly everything averages out to 3.5 and expert opinion doesn't matter. That's right: on a long enough timeline, everything on Untappd that isn't a godawful mess is going to get a 3.5

Labatt 50 will eventually be as good as Heady Topper. This is what happens when the stuff you like goes mainstream. You know why the mediocre is thriving? We won. That's why. We got people to drink craft beer and now they're registering their opinions and their opinions are not as refined as ours.

[boney]

The problem, dudelingers, is a phenomenon I call the Gentleman's 3.5

It's a thing my friend J.D. introduced to me in undergrad. Essentially attempting to get a mark in a course that was respectable, but did not require effort. If you had half a brain in your head and knew pop culture, you could take the first year psych courses and get a C+ without studying.

It sort of depends on where your personal baseline is for quality, but if you assume that the average guy is going to give anything that doesn't suck completely a 2/5 on untappd, a 3.5 becomes the new average rating.

It throws off the dialogue because suddenly everything averages out to 3.5 and expert opinion doesn't matter. That's right: on a long enough timeline, everything on Untappd that isn't a godawful mess is going to get a 3.5

Labatt 50 will eventually be as good as Heady Topper. This is what happens when the stuff you like goes mainstream. You know why the mediocre is thriving? We won. That's why. We got people to drink craft beer and now they're registering their opinions and their opinions are not as refined as ours.

Totally agree. Regression to a mean is a well established phenomenon both biologically and culturally.

On the other hand, I have a hard time relating to "refined" opinions. Does refinement have value? I don't think it does. Opinions are neither good or bad. Primitive or advanced. Refined or undeveloped. They just are. Not to say opinions are static and don't change because they do and are experiential. Enjoyment of beer is so subjective though, I can't put my personal opinion ahead of anyone elses. But, then again, I clearly have my own biases as a pretty hardcore subjectivist.

[Tapsucker]

The problem, dudelingers, is a phenomenon I call the Gentleman's 3.5

It's a thing my friend J.D. introduced to me in undergrad. Essentially attempting to get a mark in a course that was respectable, but did not require effort. If you had half a brain in your head and knew pop culture, you could take the first year psych courses and get a C+ without studying.

It sort of depends on where your personal baseline is for quality, but if you assume that the average guy is going to give anything that doesn't suck completely a 2/5 on untappd, a 3.5 becomes the new average rating.

It throws off the dialogue because suddenly everything averages out to 3.5 and expert opinion doesn't matter. That's right: on a long enough timeline, everything on Untappd that isn't a godawful mess is going to get a 3.5

Labatt 50 will eventually be as good as Heady Topper. This is what happens when the stuff you like goes mainstream. You know why the mediocre is thriving? We won. That's why. We got people to drink craft beer and now they're registering their opinions and their opinions are not as refined as ours.

Well put. So here's a question. When one of those 3.5 producers goes looking for investment dollars in the now craft infested waters, what's their value proposition? Marketing gimmick maybe? Market access? Manufacturing efficiency?

[saints_gambit]

The problem, dudelingers, is a phenomenon I call the Gentleman's 3.5

It's a thing my friend J.D. introduced to me in undergrad. Essentially attempting to get a mark in a course that was respectable, but did not require effort. If you had half a brain in your head and knew pop culture, you could take the first year psych courses and get a C+ without studying.

It sort of depends on where your personal baseline is for quality, but if you assume that the average guy is going to give anything that doesn't suck completely a 2/5 on untappd, a 3.5 becomes the new average rating.

It throws off the dialogue because suddenly everything averages out to 3.5 and expert opinion doesn't matter. That's right: on a long enough timeline, everything on Untappd that isn't a godawful mess is going to get a 3.5

Labatt 50 will eventually be as good as Heady Topper. This is what happens when the stuff you like goes mainstream. You know why the mediocre is thriving? We won. That's why. We got people to drink craft beer and now they're registering their opinions and their opinions are not as refined as ours.

Totally agree. Regression to a mean is a well established phenomenon both biologically and culturally.

On the other hand, I have a hard time relating to "refined" opinions. Does refinement have value? I don't think it does. Opinions are neither good or bad. Primitive or advanced. Refined or undeveloped. They just are. Not to say opinions are static and don't change because they do and are experiential. Enjoyment of beer is so subjective though, I can't put my personal opinion ahead of anyone elses. But, then again, I clearly have my own biases as a pretty hardcore subjectivist.

Are you intentionally being subjective about subjectivity in order to attempt to make the server collapse?

[boney]

Are you intentionally being subjective about subjectivity in order to attempt to make the server collapse?

I meant it when I said I was "hard core". Ha.

[iguenard]

What an interesting and refreshing viewpoint boney! Cheers.