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cannondale wrote:Is an HLT a good idea for batch sparging? Is it a pain in the ass to try to hold sparge water at temperature in a 5 gallon pot on the stove?
depends on how you define "HLT". for us, it's whatever pot (or generally pots) are handy. maintaining temp isn't too much of a problem. we'll generally have a rotation of 5-8gal pots going until we're done sparging. the small volumes come up to temp fairly fast and are easy to move around. put the first one to 170F, then the others you can overshoot to about 180F. probably be down to 170 by the time you need them.

you'll always need sparge water, be it batch or fly/continuous sparging. what you put it in is a matter of what you have handy and what works for you.

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I still have a mess of pots on the stovetop. I should've taken a picture of my first partigyle... I had a good portion of our kitchen pots in service as well! Getting the approximate temperature isn't bad.

Outdoor burner questions....

How many BTU's would be recommend for a 5 Gal batch? Is 60K enough? And with collecting 7 Ga, I think I'd want at least a 35 qt pot?

Would you recommend buying a burner capable of doing a 10 Ga batch? Or would it just be overkill for the smaller batches? (can you adjust the flame down appropriately?)

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i like the duo we have: the jet burner does something stupid like 150k btu, so it's great for getting things up to temp fast and for bringing wort up to a boil. the second burner is more like 60k btu. it works great on small volumes, but takes forever for 10+ gal to get up to temp. we'll use the big one to bring a batch up to a boil, then move it to the small one to maintain.

as for what to buy, the big jet burner actually cost less than the little 60k that i got as part of a turkey fryer kit (and have never really used the rest of it). at the time i needed a burner and the fryer kit was the only thing i could find around. if it was an option at the time, i'd have two jet burners (and have been talking about buying a second one and retiring the little guy). you can definitely turn it down low for small volumes and things like heating up the mash, so i'd say go big now and you'll be able to handle anything you do now and possible expansion in the future.

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grub wrote:i like the duo we have: the jet burner does something stupid like 150k btu
Curious where you got your 150k btu burner. I ask because I am too lazy to look. ;)

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jcc wrote:Curious where you got your 150k btu burner. I ask because I am too lazy to look. ;)
my favourite homebrew shop: adventures in homebrewing in detroit. hands down the best shop i've ever been to.

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grub wrote: my favourite homebrew shop: adventures in homebrewing in detroit. hands down the best shop i've ever been to.
Whoa!
http://www.homebrewing.org/14quot-Propa ... _1190.html

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Does AIH ship to Canada? Some neat stuff on that site.

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Gedge wrote:Does AIH ship to Canada? Some neat stuff on that site.
not entirely sure. at one point when i was in there they had a staff member or something that lived in windsor, so they were doing canadian shipments from the canadian side to keep the shipping rates low. not sure if it's something they generally do or if it's still available. wouldn't hurt to call or drop them an email, or pop over if you happen to be in the windsor area. they're right off 94, so pretty easy to find. in the several years i've been shopping there there's only ever been one ingredient that i wanted and couldn't find there (peat malt). great shop with really helpful staff.

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Wow. Lots of good tips flying around...

I've just read How To Brew by Palmer and I think I'm ready to try my first batch of beer. I'm going to start with extract since it seems simpler. Once I get comfortable I'll switch over to all grain.

Question - Since anyone would want their first batch to come out at least drinkable, are their certain styles of beer that are 'easier' to have success with? .. Certain recipes that can't miss? .. Are there types of ingredients or types of beer that are maybe more finicky than others that I may want to avoid at first?

I guess I'm just nervous about it turning out like piss and having to pitch the whole batch!!

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Nothing simpler than a basic Pale Ale. :)

I love Palmer's book and after 5 years of homebrewing I still find it useful. Remember the first 3 rules of brewing; sanitation, freshness, and sanitation, and you shouldn't have any problems your first time

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Ale Belly wrote:Question - Since anyone would want their first batch to come out at least drinkable, are their certain styles of beer that are 'easier' to have success with? .. Certain recipes that can't miss? .. Are there types of ingredients or types of beer that are maybe more finicky than others that I may want to avoid at first?
porter, stout, and ipa are all pretty easy starter batches. most mistakes can be covered up by the strong roasty and/or hoppy characters. and if you aim for a stout but it's too light or not roasty enough you can call it a porter (and vice versa). even a mediocre version of the above is still pretty tasty.

that said, the subtle nuances of these styles can make them hard to perfect - but it's fun to try! and especially with IPAs, there's so many hop varieties and ways you can use them that you can constantly be trying new ones.
Ale Belly wrote:I guess I'm just nervous about it turning out like piss and having to pitch the whole batch!!
stay away from really light and subtle styles at first: mild, bitter, pilsner and lighter lagers, etc. once you've got things nailed down and you're rockin' the easier stuff then you can move on to these.

there's a saying: malt, water, hops, and yeast REALLY want to be beer. keep it clean and you'll end up with something, and even if it isn't exactly what you expected i can guarantee that you'll learn something from it and your next batch will be even better. don't be discouraged if you feel like your first few aren't pushing you to world domination, just keep at it.

oh yeah, and remember the first three rules of brewing: 1) sanitation, 2) sanitation, 3) sanitation. keep it sanitary (postboil anyway) and you'll be in good shape.

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So I have done my reading, purchased my equipment and I'm ready to brew!! I was going to make my first batch this weekend, but I'm having my wisdom teeth pulled on Friday. I'll have to put it off until next weekend. Wish me luck.. Anyways .. The only homebrew store in the GTA that I could find was the Soda Shop (on Kingston Rd. in Scarborough). They sell a couple of different malt kits there, but if I want some specialty malts, or to add some different types of hops to my concoction, or progress to all-grain, where does everyone buy their ingredients ??? . Is there a magic little shop that I haven't become aware of? Does everyone buy on-line?

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Ale Belly wrote:They sell a couple of different malt kits there, but if I want some specialty malts, or to add some different types of hops to my concoction, or progress to all-grain, where does everyone buy their ingredients ??? . Is there a magic little shop that I haven't become aware of? Does everyone buy on-line?
http://homebrew-supplies.ca/viartshop/

If you're looking for a shop in Ontario, Randy has the most comprehensive selection of brewing supplies available, and it is in fact quickly becoming a 'magic little shop' where you can get anything you need. You can order online and have it shipped or pick it up locally in Brampton. Also, if there is anything that you would like that does not appear on his website, ask him and he will be sure to try to find it for you.
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Thanks for the tip, this place looks like it has everything. I will head out there tomorrow perhaps!

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Ale Belly wrote:Thanks for the tip, this place looks like it has everything. I will head out there tomorrow perhaps!
He doesn't have a store front (yet)... he's still got a full time job and he's operating out of his house! So order ahead. :D

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