examples of hop types in Ontario Beers ?

beeton · Post by **beeton** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:51 pm

...or at least available at LCBO or TBS ?
Hi
I'm about to dive into all grain brewing, and am
thinking of what type of hops to bulk buy.
I was wondering if the group could post, offerring
options, to taste beers using different hops...
sort of a primer ?
At this point I couldn't tell if the beer I like was
using cascade or ?
eg. Black Oak Pale Ale vs. Ten Bitter Years.
or Neustadt Scottish Ale

Thanks, Dave.

phirleh · Post by **phirleh** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:09 pm

Black Oak Pale Ale has 5 different kinds of hops (not sure which ones) Scottish ales are usually Kent Goldings and/or Fuggles. I bought about a pound each of whole leaf Amarillo and Cascade to do IPA's this summer and I've been quite happy (hoppy).

Hoptical Illusion - Amarillo
Canuck Pale Ale - Cascade
King Pilsner - Saaz
Kellerbier - Tettnanger?
Beau's Lug Tread - Perle and Hersbrucker
Mill Street Tankhouse - Cascade

matt7215 · Post by **matt7215** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:33 pm

scotch irish sgt majors is chinook

phirleh · Post by **phirleh** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 1:49 pm

I haven't had any, but if you can get a hold of some of the Mikkeller single hop IPA's, it might be what you are looking for (unfortunately not at the LCBO). There's a Cascade, Amarillo, Centennial, Chinook, Pallisade, East Kent Golding, Nugget, Warrior and Simcoe version. They're available at Premier in Buffalo.

pootz · Post by **pootz** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:09 pm

Any hop you need to make clone brews is available locally in pelletized small batches....some are available in full cone for dry hopping.

Although my palate is far from pro level I think the rule is most commercial brewers use North American cultivars of Noble varieties or Golding types....they use import hops on special seasonals or super premium brews....day to day lagers and ales turn out well enough with domestic cultivars. Eg: Magnum is a rough sub for Spalters. In ale hops there are all sorts of domestic golding cultivars like Northern Brewer and the "3Cs" Cascade-Chinook-Centennials are available in small quantity for home brewers.

Just follow a tried and true clone recipe and don't guess and experiment when you first start off. If you like the results from a certain clone then improve on it or tweak it to your own tastes swapping out 1 malt type or hop variety at a time until you get what you want.

There are plenty of on line hop charts that give variety characteristics and flavor profiles in long, short boils and dry hopped use....that's a good place to start in understanding and recognizing the hops used in your favorite commercial beer.

Go here:
http://www.homebrew-supplies.ca/viartsh ... gory_id=55

Derek · Post by **Derek** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:51 pm

phirleh wrote: Scottish ales are usually Kent Goldings and/or Fuggles.

Usually, but I think Neustadt uses New Zealand hops.

Last year the Creemore Keller was mostly Saaz with a little tett... seems similar this year.

Those were some great local recommendations though. If there's any American brews you like, chances are you could find a clone recipe online as well (to get an idea of what hops they use).

beeton · Post by **beeton** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 3:19 pm

Thanks, this is the kind of info I was hoping for.
I'm not necessarily looking to clone, more, really wanting to
be able to recognize the flavours.
Dave.

cannondale · Post by **cannondale** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:18 pm

then brewing single hop beers may be your best bet. or even beers that are bittered with something smooth like magnum and adding a single flavour/aroma hop.

i have been drinking a simcoe ipa lately that i made a while back. its a very good beer, and i certainly enjoy the simcoe hops, but im not (at least for now) enamoured with them the way others often seem to be.

phirleh · Post by **phirleh** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:36 pm

cannondale wrote:then brewing single hop beers may be your best bet. or even beers that are bittered with something smooth like magnum and adding a single flavour/aroma hop.

Matt and I split a batch of an IPA a few months back and I ended up dry hopping with different varieties in 1 gallon carboys. Just grab an ounce or so of a few varieties and experiment.

Gedge · Post by **Gedge** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:15 pm

Brewing single hop ales is a great way to familiarize yourself with the flavour of different hop varities. I have done a couple (one with Sorachi Ace, one with Citra) and they were both among the better beers I have made. And I was able to pick out the Sorachi hops in Duggan's No. 5 (OK, it said they used Sorachi on the menu, but I could tell!) after using SA in my own beer.

pootz · Post by **pootz** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:48 pm

Derek wrote:
phirleh wrote: Scottish ales are usually Kent Goldings and/or Fuggles.
Usually, but I think Neustadt uses New Zealand hops.

Yup, and not common NZ export varieties either, Neustadt's suppler also packages and handles these hops so they are as green, fresh and resinous as the day they were picked...The hop bite in Neustadt beers is unique and hard to clone....you won't find an equivalent available to the home brewer ...tough to find a sub for fresh pacific jems and jades.